The notorious mushroom thread: Don't be this guy. MyceliumSupercomputer
http://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/bionics/bionic-skin-for-a-cyborg-you
Hello everyone in this paragraph i will be sharing with you all, my thoughts and ideas on how we can advance wet ware technology and the over all computing power.In a nutshell i want to use fungi and bacteria as a circuit board , processor and a electric generator. the advancement of fungi computers would benefit wet ware technology based on 3 simple facts the first one is fungi live in and around all of us, second fungi can create symbiotic and parasitic relationships with plants animals and bacteria.third there are more bacterial cells in are body than are own cells.the ultimate goal here is to learn how to program fungi so we can program bacteria in the same way that crown gall bacteria programs D.N.A ,if this is done we will be able to reprogram any living organism sins fungi and bacteria are interwoven in all life forms.
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I'm thinking you'll say: We'll program it to have one!... In which case, I'd tell you that a nervous system is incredibly expensive to maintain in an organism and fungi don't have a high enough metabolic rate to keep a nervous system going.
If you choose to go with: Well, we could ramp that up too... I would say then why start with a fungus? Why start with a fungus and try to turn it into a chordate? Why not start with something like a Rats brain, and see if you can use the neurons to make a computer... This is actually being done already.
1.the first step (it's all about circuits)the first steps i can take
at home which is generating electricity, if potatoes can aid in the production of generating electricity by attaching the right circuit to it .A potato is a root and fungi or mycelium can create symbiotic relationships with roots i assume it might shear its electrical conductivity . Dirt saturated in water can aid in the production of generating electricity if the right circuit is attached to it as well, this is called an earth battery.if i can create a electrochemical battery or some kind of circuit and attach it to the fungi, that would open the door for fungi to be used as circuit boards thus powering all kinds of devices i have not done this yet it is just a hypothesis.
2.(fungi processors)the second step is a little harder as Cassox so eloquently put it.you are right and wrong at the same time my friend yes we are going to have to reprogram or genetically engineer ,alter,what ever you want to call it bottom line we must create modified fungi with neurons that can process electrical input. so the fungi can be grown on a circuit board just like the rats brains.and you are wrong by saying that the fungi have No nervous system, The nervous system of the human being is responsible for sending, receiving, and processing nerve impulses throughout the body. fungi have a similar system, in which they send and receive chemical signals throw out their body depending on the internal or external stimuli i consider Mycelium or fungi as being one big nervous system. As for that slow slow hormone like Signalling you are talking about that is called Active transport,and this is a big reason i want to use fungi instead of rats brains. if you put a neuron in the dirt it is not going to gather energy from the ground and reproduce more neurons. but if u put some fungi in the ground with the right conditions some fungi will live for thousands of years and can extract different elements from the ground such as feces, oil, dirt ,rocks,metal and even radioactive material and use as a source of energy .
2. A fungus is not "one big nervous system".
3. This is not a hypothesis.
4. See Cassox' post.
TL;DR your "hypothesis" is too general & is unfeasible. Comparison: "Trees have cells. Humans have cells. Let's get this tree walkin!"
why this would not work you just told me Dirt in water does not produce electricity,This is not a hypothesis,A fungus is not "one big nervous system and i have no idea how to implement. And the other you speak of his name is Cassox all he told me a nervous system is incredibly expensive to maintain in an organism and
fungi don't have a high enough metabolic rate to keep a nervous system
going he never stated that my hypothesis was unfeasible
1. Fungi have no discrete nervous system; they simply don't need it and can't support it. Fungi are primarily parasitic, and primarily inanimate/sedentary. As such, they have to thrive on slow metabolism of relatively small amounts of energy. As they are, they could at best possibly achieve the functionality of a four function calculator.
2. If you wish to genetically engineer a nervous system that you can then splice with fungi (you still haven't specified what species of fungi) you must increase the metabolism and increase the chemical energy draw of the fungi. This is a task that is orders of magnitude more difficult than you make it sound. In addition, since most fungi are either parasitic or decomposers, using them in wetware results in essentially sucking the life out of your own tissue cells.
3. This is a biohacking forum. Everything accomplished here is DIY. None of the genetic modifications necessary to make this happen are possible (or sustainable) outside a well funded lab.
I could rip into the mycelium thing and criticize... Or I could come up with ideas trying to make it more feasible etc.. but the point is, do you know how to do these things? Can you do it here and now?
i bought some copper and silver wires and some led lights to create the fungicircuit . i was attempting to grow some fungi called ("B+" Strain) it was colonizing until i got kicked out of the place i was staying at then it got infected with another fungus and i had to throw it out thats as far as my initial experiment got.hahah yea i watched Sealab 2021 funny shit http://www.watchcartoononline.com/sealab-2021-episode-3-i-robot
i am going to attempt to interface the circuit with fungi by either sticking copper and silver straight in the organism or by rapping the metals around and under the fungi. proving that fungi conduct electricity is a step that must be taken if i want to make a MyceliumSupercomputer a little more feasible
Anyways, I really gotta ask. This is gonna piss you off, but how many of those B+ caps did you eat before conceiving of this idea?
Lol.
Anyway, @TheMind, I personally think you'd be better off (and would be better able to make this practical) if you were using neurons instead of fungi -- which, incidentally, are actually commercially available (even cultures of human neurons can be bought online).
The problem with fungi, and the reason you probably need a nervous system, is because it's not enough for the fungi to conduct electricity. It sounds like you want to use the fungi not just for gathering power, but also for processing; in this case, you also need to be able to perform logical operations on the signals. Nervous systems can be trained to do something like this, but I think you'd be a bit hard-pressed to do that with fungi, even with their chemical signals. I suppose you could try using fungi to power a nervous system, but that itself raises a plethora of issues, like whether the fungi will be able to generate enough energy.
I do remember a biohackers' project a while back where she got bacteria to act as logic gates, but I can't find anything about that on Google.
But hey, there's efficiency for ya....your data and your inspiration from the same source :P
how meany B+ caps did i eat unforchantly the mycelium was contaminated the mushrooms never had the chants to form so 0. but haha yeah yeah you know we got to be efficient and actually most of the info and my inspiration came from Paul Stamets,cool guy he is definitely not google or YouTube enough.
Psilocybin mushrooms of the world,The mushroom cultivator,Mycelium running,Growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms =
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while searching for a bunch of amplifiers to do non-implantable
ecg reading i stumbled across a nice part that qualifies for implantable
stuff, too.
http://www.ti.com/product/ads1191
it
is pretty much a "everything in one chip" sollution to get feedback
from nerves into a microcontroller. that means. electrodes on one end,
μc on the other, done. it contains the entire analog frontend that would
usualy fill up a box.
this friend comes with 1 channel input, has a bunch of bigger brothers that can handle 2, 4 and 8 channels.
it comes in packages that are small, but still possible to solder without expensive reflow equipment.
they also are reasonably low power, theoretically run several days on i tiny rechargeable lithium battery.
in
short. i am hyped up about those things, they could be the ticket to
real interaction with active-implants. and up to 8 channels would be
quite a lot of data you can use.
i ordered a whole bunch of
samples to build some test boards. they wont ship cause they are
backordered. but i hope to get them end of january.
comments or previous expericences are welcome :)
cheers
July 15
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transmitting power is not exactly rocket science. even plain old
128kHz (which is easy enough to diy from discrete parts) can get you
2-digit milliwattage. not a lot, but for most implants that'll be more
than enough.
same goes for data. it all depends on how fast you
need to go. if you just want to cross the skin, a red-led based optical
transmitter will easily get through some mm of skin and get you , i'd
say 32kbps without much trouble. rfid for data works aswell.
separating those 2, data and power, gives a lot of flexibility.
example The ADS1191/2 incorporate all of the features that are commonly required in portable, low-power medical electrocardiogram (ECG),
,this enables the creation of scalable medical instrumentation systems at significantly reduced size, power, and overall cost.
with this tech we can monitor the flow of electrical power or charge in my future biological processors and generators
and the red-led based optical transmitter i want to use that as some kind of nervous system
Researchers turn bacterial colonies into logic gates
http://arstechnica.com/science/2010/12/building-logic-gates-with-bacterial-colonies/bacterial and fungal symbiosis
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6892/abs/nature00841.html
http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/fungi-can-infest-computer-insulation/134543#