I want a magnet implant
Hi guys! This is my first post here.I am from Romania and I want to get a magnet implant, but I can't get one because they don't ship in my country. I started to search local and I foud a site that sells coated neodynium magnets. The guy that sells is kinda close so I don't need to worry about shiping.
So I found these:
1. 1x0.3 mm parylene coated, N52 ( http://magnetiputernici.ro/discuri-neodim/Magnet-neodim-disc-1-x-0.3-mm )
2. 3x0.3 mm parylene coated, N52 ( http://magnetiputernici.ro/discuri-neodim/Magnet-neodim-disc-03x0.3-mm )
3. 4x2 mm gold plated ( Ni-Cu-Ni-Au ) ( http://magnetiputernici.ro/discuri-neodim/Magnet-neodim-disc-04x02-mm-aurit )
I was looking fot the first one for my finger because I work a lot with my hands and is tiny and won't interferate with my actions.But I also think that is too small and I won't feel anything.
The others two (only one) I want to put them in "the RFID spot"
They are kinda cheap($0.3 the gold plated one) and I don't know if they are good. I think that if i put them in salt water and let them there fot 2-3 weeks they will corrode if they aren't good.
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Then, run around waving your hand around seeing if you can feel any magnetic fields. A big magnet is easy to feel and can pull the magnet off your skin if the glue isn't dry. The real trick is the electrical devices. There is only one "wall wart" power adapter that I could feel with a glued on magnet. A power cord had to be using a lot of electricity in order to feel anything.
I checked the Wiki and it looks like the parylene isn't for long term implants. Less than 1 year. The gold also has a listing there. Aside from the pin hole problem, it can be damaged easily especially when you are implanting it. That means, even if it tests good, you can still mess it up on the last step. Not trying to discourage you. Just something to keep in mind and try to avoid. Especially if your scalpel or any tools are magnetic.
I don't have an implanted magnet (I'm on the waiting list) but I was surprised at how small of a magnet still gave me a feeling of magnetic fields. It would be interesting to try gluing one of those TINY magnets on your finger and find out. Bigger and stronger is usually better but, the tiny one might still provide a magnetic sense. The less than a year thing doesn't sound real good but, it might not be real bad. Another small cut and draw it out with another bigger magnet if I'm not mistaken. The infection, if it does crack and break down, might be much worse but probably treatable.
Even just gluing a piece of a broken magnet on my finger was enough to convince me I want this added sense so I'd be tempted to at least get some of the magnets and test them. If they fail the tests, assuming you don't lose the tiny things, they should still work for holding holding notes on a metal refrigerator or door.
One final note that maybe should be added to the wiki, these little magnets can be dangerous to swallow. Keep these out of reach of everyone who might stick one or more in their mouth. One might make it through the digestive system but more than one might pinch together important stuff and require surgery you can't do yourself to fix.
I don't know if superglue is safe or not, but if you're gluing them together you're creating pockets for bacteria and increasing your risk of infection/issues. Also superglue can break pretty easily with the right force applied, and if that were to happen to your implant then you risk the magnets rubbing against each other and wearing away the coating.
Also, a note about parylene: Not sure where the thing on the wiki about parylene being good for only 1 year came from. I've had my parylene for well over two years with no issues, and expect them to last for a while still.
@Groundblast, is Gorilla super glue the same thing? I noticed that there are two kinds of "super glue". One ethyl cyanoacrylate and the other Methyl cyanoacrylate. Would either one be safe or only the ethyl type?
Makes me wonder (not a suggestion), could a normal (cheap) magnet be coated with super glue and work? What if you used a gold plated one and then coated it with super glue? MAYBE, if the gold had pits or the super glue got damaged, the other one would save it from getting infected.
Would the super glue be damaged by the sterilizing? Does alcohol redissolve it?
Sure would make this whole magnet implant idea cheaper and easier to get. It seems like the demand is higher than the supply of good, precoated ones right now. That might change soon though. No idea how big of a waiting list there is or how many good ones in the batch.
Might be worth a saltwater soak or some other test if you had a magnet and some super glue. At least that's what it sounds like to me.
This was mostly a joke but I still think it would be worth a saltwater soaking or other NON-IMPLANTED testing.
I've heard that Parylene wasn't for long temp use and then hear of people who have had them for years so I don't want to dismiss the idea of something cheap and common working just because it sounds too good to be true. I'd be willing to risk a 20 cent magnet and a cup of saltwater if/when I get some superglue. I probably wouldn't implant it even if it tested good but I'd still like to find out using my own tests if it might be possible.
Even good, proven safe implants can reject for any number of reasons so I would think the actual implanting test would be done AFTER the coating has passed less invasive tests first.
Please read the MSDS and ingredient list and research it's components. >~< Don't just try this off the handle.
I will definitely be one if the first to vouch for it's usefulness externally... but very hesitant to talk about internal usage. :s
Ethically, although only 2-octylcyanoacrylate is approved by the food
and drug administration of the United State of America for use to appose
skin lacerations, results from some experimental studies have shown
that cyanoacrylate is not as toxic as it was initially thought to be;
hence it is safe.[9,13,37]
It will therefore be necessary for this substance to undergo standard
experimental and clinical trials aimed at certifying it fit for use in
anastomosis
and:
The use of cyanoacrylalate presents a possible technique for the future
management of urological, vascular, gynecological, general surgical, and
some neurosurgical anastomosis in humans, which is cheap, available,
simple, and convenient. It may probably be a good alternative to
microsurgery, and with further development in the area, this method may
probably be economically, socially, culturally, and ethically acceptable
in the future.
Sounds like I'm not the only "retarded" thinker out there unless I am reading this wrong or the article is fake.
@tekniklr
What would be a better test for the coating?
The dental resin might not cost much more. I never tried it but I would expect the glue to be much thinner and maybe easier to finish.
That sounds like a good test but, according to the wiki, the TiN coated magnets would fail the bleach test.
I'll probably still try coating one as soon as I get some super glue but I'll probably wait for the TiN coated ones to actually implant.
Any polishing would be done by hand so heat shouldn't be an issue but bubbles wouldn't just polish out. There's probably a good reason why nobody coats their magnets in superglue.
I'm pretty much talked out of trying to implant a magnet coated in super glue but still might try coating one just to see how it works. I hadn't thought about the bubbles or any "foaming" reaction of the glue.
I am assuming your TiN coated ones should be available probably in a month or two and, aside from the cost difference, there will be no reason to consider alternatives. No reason except just wanting to know what other coatings MIGHT work.
I think the article linked before stated that there are different weights of "super glue" :
The physical properties of the glue differ based on the molecular weight
of the chemical. Even as the low molecular weight ones are more rigid
and fairly more toxic, the higher molecular weight substances are
stronger, more pliable, and less toxic.[3,4]
and :
The adhesives with lower molecular weights produce a rigid and patent
region of anastomosis, while the higher molecular compounds produce a
consistency close to the normal tissue.