Crazy thought. Benadryl anesthetic
Ok so I was watching a show and they mentioned Benadryl being mixed with saline to produce an anesthetic. After some googling I discovered a name...novocain also know as procain. Am I wrong that this could be a good solution for people with the inability to get ahold of lidocaine?
@cassox any input on this?
@cassox any input on this?
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So, yes. I'd say great find. Here's an article about it:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2923931/
I was totally unaware that diphenhydramine could be used this way; however, there's still the problem of fillers. I actually have some injectable diphenhydramine around. They are available in sterile liquid vials for injection. This would be great if people could get them. But.. I think the injectable liquid form is available with prescription only. Oral forms are going to have a bunch of fillers and shit. I'm sure there's a way to separate it out but it might be more work then it's worth.
So I guess this might be a good project for someone.. either identifying a source or figuring out a way to isolate. The reason they added saline was simply to dilute it. The article described the use of a 1% solution. The vials are something like 50% I believe. Very interesting.
Ya I think that if it is able to be separated out then some of the people who can source the good stuff may have a way now and that would be a huge help to people with tight restrictions. Most places, you can buy Benadryl with no problem just a drivers license.
I actually just got my hands on some 1980s pond test kit chemicals and a microscope so I'm slowly gaining equipment to try and do stuff. Hopefully this is something I can at least mess with.
@chironex I'll try and dig out the thread on Sunday when I'm not working thanks for that information. At least I know there's something.
@cassox do the fillers have to actually be removed? What kind of effects might there be from a jerryrigged home batch?
The most common fillers used include:
candelilla wax, colloidal silicone dioxide, crospovidone, hypromellose, microcrystalline cellulose, polyethylene glycol, povidone, pregelatinized starch, starch, stearic acid, titanium dioxide, and talc.
There is no way in hell I'd ever do any of these things intravenously.. but you might be ok with a subcutaneous injection. I mean, people grind up, dissolve, and inject opioids meant for oral injection all the time. It's not unheard of and often the ARE injecting IV. People are usually most concerned with filtering out solids. There are risks of course. I've seen some pretty nasty cellulitis in IV drug users. Overall, I don't see a benefit. Topical lidocaine really does work pretty well and injectable lidocaine can be purchased from Dangerous Things.
I found a link where someone was trying to do an isolation..
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=31430
The process being discussed isn't something I'd feel comfortable personally, but I'm sure someone smarter then I could finalize a process. Basically, if someone takes this on as a project and can give directions on safely and inexpensively isolating diphenhyramine for injection... then we'd have the Grinding community would have access to an unlimited amount of inexpensive anesthetic for implant. This would be huge. Who's up?
http://forum.biohack.me/discussion/659/alternatives-to-lidocaine/p1
In another link posted above https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2923931/ it says:
"When topically applied, DPH has excellent anesthetic and antipruritic effects."
I wonder if the Benedryl could just be used topically and not need to worry about making it injectable?
I would definitely give this ago once I finish getting things to do it. Unfortunately that's a very slow process but hey at some point right.
@birdhandz thanks for the links.
That article gave great information about it also.
For sake of record here's a snipit of how to:
For 1% DPH solution:
50cc saline
5%DPH
remove 10cc of saline and discard. Add 10cc of 5% DPH and presto.
So now the question is the removal of unwanted garbage in house hold Benadryl along with how much is needed to make one dose of 1% DPH.