Big ass magnets that you inject with a syringe!
  • glimsglims November 2014
    So, there was some talk about injectable magnets. Conversations about lifting spoons like the left edge of your hand has mutant powers...

    It's not like we didn't warn you that big magnets with this type of power would probably bruise your hand bits.

    So, tada, announcing the m63. A big block of magnet-y goodness. All the power and sweet coating goodness of the m31, but scaled up to the size that makes me uncomfortable offering it to people. Literally. Please don't f' around with this guys. -_-

    On the other hand, it can be injected which does away with all that awkward hacking at your hands action. Suggested areas are side of your hands or anywhere else where you can do a subdermal. Please don't shoot this into your meats...

    @Amal and @Cassox and I will tell you more as they come along. Give it a couple weeks, just giving y'alls a heads up :)
  • TheGreyKnightTheGreyKnight November 2014
    This sounds fun... Kinda a silly question, but why call it the M63? 6mm x 3mm?
  • otpthepersonotptheperson November 2014
    Ooooooooooooh.

    Can you possibly show a size comparison with the m31? And, a ruler or something for reference. Also maybe a hand. I have no mental reference for how big 6mmx3mm is.

    Is this even safe to implant, by the way? And by 'safe' I mean 'will your hand fall off', because that's kind of my limit.
  • pkp336pkp336 November 2014
    Nice! Never really considered something like this but on the side of the hand could be cool!
  • glimsglims November 2014
    No, your hand will not fall off. The safety is more a matter of how powerful a properly made magnet of that size would be in your hand. Misuse or putting close to powerful electromagnetic sources may cause issues.

    As for a size comparison, we'll take picture when they are ready. For now, remember what the m31 looked like? Now imagine stacking 5 more on top of the first one. That what it will look like. And yes, the name refers to the size. Amal comes up with this stuff...
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine November 2014
    Oh now this is exciting! Is it safe to assume the healing process with a needle is a little less lengthy and intensive than the traditional slice-and-slip-it-in?

  • glimsglims November 2014
    Yes. It is however, less elegant (for lack of a better term). With a needle injection, you are basically punching a hole into the area and stuffing something in. For something this size, it doesn't matter so much, but at the same time, it's not as good as a well done surgical style implant.
  • AnaplekteonAnaplekteon November 2014
    Properly coated cylindrical magnets. Great, as injecting is always more manageable one-handed than more complex self-surgery.
    Bigass cylindrical magnets. Less great, although I suppose there are good reasons for them to be so big.
  • jessickajessicka November 2014
    I know very little of anatomy or physiology stuff, but I have been pierced... a lot.

    Piercers use hollow needles, taking out a piece of flesh before they put the jewelry in. When I was young I had my ears and nostril done with a "gun" where they don't remove any flesh- it just kind of shoves the jewelry through. Not pleasant at all.

    My question is, with a cylinder... instead of just injecting the magnet, would it be better in terms of pain and healing to first remove some flesh? I'm not exactly sure how I'd do that, maybe a hollow needle at an angle. (I'm doing a lot of research before I do anything at all.) I'm guessing that whole idea wouldn't work well in places like your fingertips... chances of removing nerves and other good stuff?
  • glimsglims November 2014
    Well, I'm just being flippant when calling them big ass. They are roughly the same size as other cylindrical magnets offered by other people. It's just that they have been coated properly and haven't been exposed to processes that reduce their power.

    The injection process is mush like the implantation of an rfid chip. In that respect, the magnet is being placed in the subcutaneous layer of the hand (or wherever) not into the flesh it's self. Removal of meats is totally overkill and may cause issues.
  • TheGreyKnightTheGreyKnight November 2014
    If you were going to use this method to implant one, yes or no to pain management, and if yes, what would you do? Nerve Block? Ice?
  • glimsglims November 2014
    Don't bother. Because the process is so fast, there is no legitimate need for a pain blocker. That's where the appeal for the injection comes in. You just poke it in. I suggest following protocol of course, but the protocol is basically tent the skin, jab the needle, press the plunger while drawing needle out slowly, smack a piece of gauze on it.
  • HelyxHelyx November 2014
    Ohhhh yey! I have 2 m31s in my right fingers and can't wait to get a powerful one in the edge of my left hand! Thank you!
  • chironexchironex November 2014
    If you had 2 m31s, could you stack them to make them stronger or similair to this?
  • CassoxCassox November 2014
    Jaaz, yes and no. So yes, magnets do stack in that two magnets together form a field equivalent to a single solid magnet. There are also a few interesting ways to arrange magnets in order to change field shape. In terms of stacking the m31s, I'd fear that units would be mechanically shifted around. The friction could degrade the surfaces over time. Additionally, there is some risk of the magnets being seperated by mechanical force and then pinching down on tissue. The small bit of necrotic tissue would then more than likely cause rejection/problems.
  • aviinaviin November 2014
    Very nice.  I'll be doing one on the edge of my left hand as soon as these become available.  My ntag went in so smoothly, virtually painless and healed super fast.  I expect these will go very similarly.
  • VoidflakesVoidflakes November 2014
    Oh sweet!! I've been waiting for just this. Two in my fingers, and a bit on the side ;)

    @jessicka Having had many piercings myself, I absolutely have to disagree. Piercing needles are NOT designed to remove flesh like an apple corer, but rather to separate skin and flesh (usually for the absorption of liquids through the subcutaneous layers) without doing any major damage. If you are coring your flesh, you're most certainly doing it wrong.
  • glimsglims November 2014
    Well, not always. The way we use piercing needles for implants are like you describe, but I think when people get their ears gauged, the needles are sometimes used to remove ear bits. I think it depends of if you are slow stretching up or trying to start at 2's or something. I could be wrong...
  • VoidflakesVoidflakes November 2014
    You might be thinking of - finish your dinner first - dermal punches for ear gauging ;) That actually does remove a (pretty hefty) chunk of flesh and is a rather barbaric procedure compared to a slow stretch. Healing is slow, full-closure healing very unlikely, and many people can't stretch much beyond the gauge of the punched hole. Dermal anchors are also punched in but as they're fairly tiny they usually heal up alright.

    +1 to Youtube Guy for having the balls though!
  • iexiakiexiak November 2014
    To those asking about size, a headphone jack would be a good comparison.
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    Just under half the length, and just slightly thinner around.

    Excited to hear more about these!
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine November 2014
    I'm guessing something that large wouldn't settle well in even particularly fleshy but active fingerpads, yes?
    I've already got some small cylinders on the ulnar side of my hand, and once handstanding class ends I'll be adding an m31 to the left ring fingerpad. Would upgrading another fingertip (thinking right middle) be suitable? Or would exploring the dorsal side of the wrist be a better option?
  • S_BXS_BX November 2014
    I have a magnet in my left middle finger which was inserted through a piercing needle, outside diameter 6mm I think.

    I'd suggest pain management would be a good idea if you're putting it in a finger...

    The needle did not punch a hole through the skin. It appeared to make a sort of flap which folded back to allow the magnet in. The skin was fairly loose for a day or so once folded back into place by withdrawal of the needle and eventually healed back. Now, two months in, the entry site is still quite sensitive and the scar tissue can be felt fairly readily.


  • ChilliEyeChilliEye November 2014
    I was wondering about how well it would sit in a finger tip too. I only have small fingers. 

    Also, I was wondering about injecting into the lip, would it be viable?
  • glimsglims November 2014
    Waaaay to big for the lip....
  • ChilliEyeChilliEye November 2014
    Ok, cheers.
  • RavenRaven November 2014
    is this 3mm diameter x 6mm long or  the other way around

  • RavenRaven November 2014
    If it is wouldn't m36 be a more logical name at it would maintain the conventionset by the m31 of diameter first?
  • aviinaviin November 2014
    @glims talked about size earlier in the thread.  6mm long with a 3mm diameter.  I would say that the name is just using the larger dimension first as for reason.
  • glimsglims November 2014
    Ask @Amal man. We don't name 'em, that's all him.
  • AlternateAlternate November 2014
    Any idea on pricing for these? 2-3 times the M31?

    And will there be the initial discount batch like with the M31s?
  • glimsglims November 2014
    More things to add on to the list of "Things That Involve @Amal".

    We just make the suckers. Though I would guess that triplicate pricing will not be the case.
  • TheGreyKnightTheGreyKnight December 2014
    If you implanted one of these, would you be in any danger of damaging tissue if you were handling large, neodymium HDD magnets?
  • spiltwinespiltwine December 2014
    @glims @amal @cassox

    Gentlemen I applaud you!

    I have been quietly obsessing about magnetic implants for a few years now, and been limited by availability and price Down Under.

    Just today I received an email reply from one of the two well-known international mod-Pros currently touring with a $450 price tag for one, implanted. Ouch! Cost prohibitive and maddening.

    I check in here semi-regularly hoping for new developments, and a local provider/mod-Pro at more inexpensive rates, but haven't had any luck.

    I spent hours on this website yesterday, reading about your new magnets, and learning about the various procedures and experiences detailed by yourselves and other biohack members. 

    And I decided it was time to take things into my own hands. I budgeted for a few of your m31s, and an RFID kit (good one, @aviin ) to make it happen, with a plan to transfer funds next week.

    Then I found this thread and my heart almost exploded with happiness!

    I have always wanted the magnetic implant for the sensory experience, but secretly also for party trick abilities. And now it appears that I can have it all!

    I have a feeling I might be able to procure a pair of m31s, and a m63, along with the kit, and maybe a little herbal relaxant with change left over for the price offered by the mod-Pro. Blessed be.

    Just out of curiosity, though, what price are you proposing for the new magnet? Will you be selling it with the kit? And when can I get my hands on one?


  • aviinaviin December 2014
    @spiltwine - Glad you like what I've been up to.  So you know, a piercing needle would work as well as an RFID injector and cost alot less.  Get a 10 or 11 gauge needle.  I'm using the RFID injector because I've got it on hand already.  Unless you are getting it for the RFID itself, too, in which case, awesome.    Others have done magnets with needles but there hadn't been much in the way of specific technique posted that I could find, so I sort of had to work it out on my own.  Which, as it turns out, is a fun process.

    @amal, @glims, @cassox - I'd like to second what @spiltwine said.  We'd love more information :)
  • aviinaviin January 2015
    What are the chances of more information coming soonish on the m63?  An email I got in response from Dangerous Things made it seem like these could be a little ways off yet.  I'd prefer TiN, but I might start exploring another coating option if the wait will be too long.
  • Dragon5Dragon5 January 2015
    (random comment)
  • glimsglims January 2015
    Don't do another coating. We're bringing it to the table soon. It's just that the size and shape kinda mess with the coating process. It's worth it to wait to get something that won't cause issues down the road.

    @Dragon5 it's not a dead thread, it's just that the topic is talked out. Please read everything first and then if you still have a question about coating or technique, I'm sure one of us will get to it.
  • UKBiohackerUKBiohacker January 2015
    Is the M31 not suitable for injection then?
    Also, Glims, which would you recommend, weighing up practicality/sensitivity/ease of implanting? :)
  • glimsglims January 2015
    The m31 has been tested by members of the community for injection, but I am not a fan of the injection method myself.

    As far as what magnet you are getting, I suggest you really consider how much you really need in terms of power and how much you use your hands. If you read the first post in this thread, I am a little concerned about the strength of this magnet. However, we are making it cause you guys want it.

    More importantly is the hand usage issue. If you poke through some of the threads, you'll see a lot of people are having problems bonking the magnets while they are healing or using too much force in some situation and this is causing issues. A bigger implant means a bigger responsibility in aftercare.

    Also, this magnet will not be placed in the finger. I really think it's a bit large for that. In that regards, get both. That way you can build a field of sensation the way others have been.
  • CassoxCassox January 2015
    Quick addendum, the injection method is awesome for sites other than finger. Many people have reported Good results in other areas. It's quick, easy, and fast healing. Fingers aren't a great site for said method though.
  • AlternateAlternate January 2015
    In your opinion, how would the M63 go injected into finger webbing?

    I'd be interested in trying that (so long as there's no major reason not to), although I think that it may have too much contact with metal surfaces in my line of work. It seems like it would be a more reasonable place than the outside of the hand, which I whack a lot.
  • glimsglims January 2015
    Unless you have extremely large hands... no wait, nvm.
    What you should do it take a ruler and a piece of paper and cut yourself a little bit of cardboard that is 3x6mm in size. Then place it on your hand and ask yourself,"can i move my fingers without this bonking any bones?"
    If the answer is a no or maaaybe... then you probably shouldnt put anything there.
  • McSTUFFMcSTUFF January 2015
    The rectangle should be 9.424mm x 6.000mm to account for pi. It should fit nicely inside a drinking straw. Right?
  • glimsglims January 2015
    eh, i was just envisioning 2D space. That should be enough of a visual aid to see that the webbing is a bad idea.
    The rectangle should be... whaaaa? Its just 3mm in diameter 6mm long cylinder, like 6 m31s stacked. The object that you are describing is the size of a small cherry.
  • chironexchironex January 2015
    what you don't want a cherry sized magnet? you could tuck it in next to you balls. no one would know till your sack stuck to a girls purse
  • AlternateAlternate January 2015
    Would make pick pocketing easier. Although slightly more awkward.
  • McSTUFFMcSTUFF January 2015
    When you described the piece of paper I imagined rolling it up rather just lying the 2D paper down. Hence the 9.424mm dimension which would be the circumference of a 3mm diameter cylinder.
    I made pictures of what this would look like if placed in the finger webbing and to hopefully give people an idea of scale.

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    CAD sketch of dimensions

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    Printed version with illegible text

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    Placement on finger webbing

    Hope this helps clarify what I was saying and hopefully people can envision what this would actually be like under the skin.
  • glimsglims January 2015
    aaahhhhhh that makes a lot more sense.
    i was just looking for a quick and dirty solution to a question. You were setting up a cad drawing.
  • chironexchironex January 2015
    have fun with that. you'll be bruising tissues left right and center and probably causing damage. sure it'll give you great feeling up until it get ripped out

  • glimsglims January 2015
    that was my point
  • AlternateAlternate January 2015
    All good points. Maybe I'll just leave that for another day. Or magnet.

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