lovetron9000 (content warning)
  • DirectorXDirectorX March 2011

    I am afraid to say that my
    haptic subdermal project has degenerated into a strange sub-project, which I call
    the lovetron9000.  It is a low-cost, low-class grind.  This is
    transhumanism at its apex!

    Here it is in a nutshell: I’m
    going to implant a vibrating subdermal implant just above my meat straw, on the
    pubic bone.  Yes, this means I will continue to be the
    world’s greatest lover (eight years in a row in my income division).  It is a
    crown that I promise to wear with zero humility. 

    Here is what I’m working with
    for components

    •  A 3v micro vibration
      motor, hacked from an old Oral B Pulsar toothbrush
    • Plastic straw
      (PVC?) from a disposable Bic pen for motor housing.
    • An induction coil
      hacked out of another broken motorized toothbrush. 
    • Solder and
      soldering iron.
    • Random bits of
    • Parts of another
      Bic pen for an on/off switch.
    • Hot glue gun. 

    Now….the power supply.  Here is where I am having a problem.  I want this thing to run for 15-20 minutes at
    a time.  In all honesty, that 15-20
    minutes is really only going to be 2-3 minutes, but I’d like to design it to go
    15-20.  I’ll probably use it 2-3 times a
    week.  Any recommendations on a small rechargeable
    power supply?  The motor is 3v, 95mA
    max.  I wish there was a way to do it
    with supercapacitors instead of batteries, but I can’t figure out a way to safely
    discharge over a 15 minute period.

    Also, Inductive charging is
    my second choice.  I’d really like to use
    a kinetic watch winder to recharge the power supply.  How would I prevent over-charging?  I really want to avoid plugging something
    into the wall, holding to my groin, and then trying to make pillow talk with an
    already bewildered lover. 

    I want to fit all of the
    components into a super sturdy plastic (or titanium) housing which will feature
    little textured nubs.  This really brings
    a new meaning to the term "Grinding".  Happy to
    contribute.  ;)

    Ideas?  Comments? 
    Concerns?  Reservations?

  • OakOak March 2011
    I'm afraid that electronics aren't my thing, so I'm not really informed enough to make many valid contributions.

    That said, it sounds crazy dangerous. Unless you can make the whole thing very small, I'm willing to bet that there's a huge risk of the device being rejected. Additionally, if it's not super small, surgery would likely be quite dangerous - it sounds like you'd implanting it very deep, and if you're not perfectly sterile, infection in that area is going to go very bad, very fast. It would also need to be sutured really well.

    How would you eliminate risk of it shorting? If a device starts shorting inside of you around your groin, I can't imagine that it would be either pleasant or safe.

    Assuming all of these could be overcome, then it sounds like a very interesting idea. I'd be curious to hear follow-up reports from both you and your partner(s).

    EDIT: Also, awesome name.
  • DirectorXDirectorX March 2011
    @Oak: So far the design measures 1.5" x .75" x .25".  This is smaller than most subdermal implants used in body modification.  The area of incision is not overly tender.  The implant isn't going very deep.  It needs to stay close to the surface so that the vibrations aren't absorbed by excess tissue.  The whole thing will be sealed in silicone, so I'm not too concerned about a short.  If I can't turn it on, it will be removed.  The battery will be an issue in 10 years (optimistic).  All in all, I think it is a minimally invasive grind.

    I'll post some photos soon.
  • OakOak March 2011
    Huh. Yeah, all of that sounds rather reasonable.

    I thought of another possible concern, though. When I was doing a lot of research on implanting magnets, I'd read that areas around the magnet can get bruised if exposed to too strong of fields for too long due to the magnet pinching and pressing against tissues. I wonder if that would be a concern with having an object whose sole purpose is to vibrate and therefore press against tissues. Only one way to really find out, but I figure it's worth bringing up.
  • FantomexFantomex March 2011
    This is... interesting, even doable, possibly. Still, I have to say that this sounds more than a little dangerous.

    I believe I've already brought up my issues with subdermal batteries in another thread, but to summarise, I think the risks are just too fucking high.

    Also, I think surgery itself will be pretty challenging if you do it yourself, which you're going to have to; the magnets were one thing, relatively simple but this will be taking it to another level. You can set your hand on a table and have it in a normal position, for this you're going to have to hunch yourself over for the best view and this will move tissue around and flex muscles so there's the question of how much and where it will move so you don't have to cut yourself again to readjust. Best scenario would probably involve some degree of mirror use in surgery but then your going to have to practice doing the whole thing in a mirror. It just doesn't seem practical if you ask me.

    If/before you go through with this you should read some anatomy books, alot of anatomy books really, since you're not going to want to fuck this up. I think this goes without saying but I'd feel remiss if I didn't say it anyway.

    Despite all my concerns, you have my attention, I look forward to seeing where this all goes.

    Edit: Maybe just try doing a dry run to see  if/how this thing will actually work, maybe install it in your arm or leg first or something?
  • OakOak March 2011
    "@Fantomex: Maybe just try doing a dry run to see  if/how this thing will actually work, maybe install it in your arm or leg first or something?"

    That sounds like a wise decision.
  • DirectorXDirectorX March 2011
    I'm going to take the risk on the battery issue and I'm hoping I get at least 5 years out of it.  Hopefully a better solution comes around in the next 5-10 years.  Worst case scenario, the battery leaks and destroys my member.  Then I'll need a prosthetic.  God help them if that happens.  :0

    The target area is easily visible, so I won't need a mirror.  A body modification guy has agreed to do it if I choose to go that route.  He has done several cuts in the suprapubic fat pad area and says it isn't as painful as most piercings.

    I've been messing around with some of the ideas I've found in this patent:
    One of the things I like is the magnet in the solenoid for passive charging.  It uses a spring to suspend the magnet and bounces up and down when move around.  I've made my own version, but I can't find my damned voltage meter to see how much it is producing.
  • DirectorXDirectorX March 2011
    still prototyping
    I decided to use 2 motors which are located in the forks, which will point downward.  The section with the electrical tape is a solenoid for the inductive charging.  I've been experimenting with different power supplies and I think I've decided on a rechargeable 3v button cells which will flank the solenoid.imageimage
  • ThomasEgiThomasEgi March 2011
    be sure to not exceed the batteries rated charge and discharge currents and voltages.
  • DirectorXDirectorX March 2011
    I ran across a website that has given me some good ideas and things that I hadn't previously considered.  If anyone needs any info on vibrators or teledildonics, qDot is your man and this is his website (NSFW):

    interesting stuff.
  • FfawayFfaway March 2011!5403676/becoming-a-sexual-cyborg-nsfw

    its gizmodo, but still an entertaining article.
  • nausicaanausicaa April 2011
    Have you considered using a wall plug in instead of batteries? They sell parts to make plug in rigs at some hobby shops or you could find one on the internet.
  • IanIan April 2011
    @nausicaa: Well, I suppose we could have the wall plug charge a capacitor, but I don't see the machine running entirely on wall current.  The capacitor would also have to be pretty big, as well, to provide enough power for 15-20 minutes.

    Another problem is that the plug, presumably, would have to run transdermal, which isn't really an option right now.

  • DirectorXDirectorX April 2011
    I've got some professionals interested in this project who are contributing to design/engineering/bioproofing.  I'll keep everyone posted once the final designs are done.
  • Excellent 
  • OakOak April 2011
    Excellent! I look forward to hearing about what comes of this.
  • Bmbm873Bmbm873 May 2011
    Holy shit that thing is alot bigger then what I was ready for.....
  • IanIan May 2011
    @Bmbm873:  It's not that big, from the looks of it, it's just zoomed in a little.  If you scale it, it's not much bigger than one might expect.

  • DirectorXDirectorX May 2011
    "Holy shit that thing is alot bigger then what I was ready for..."

    That's what she said. (couldn't stop myself)

    It broke. I had fun breaking it though.The guy who was involved in the engineering for this project has dropped out, so I'm back to the drawing board. If anyone wants to help they are welcome to. We were last working on a pancake vibration motor with button cell rechargeable batteries. I wish there was a way to do it with a power coil or something that could be manually cranked.

  • ThomasEgiThomasEgi May 2011
    +1 for pancake (if the direction of the forces produce the desired result)
    -1 for button cells, most are very-low current rated, you would wear them out by exceeding their rated current, recharging would take ages,too. a good and only slightly bigger alternative are the batteries used in those tiny model helicopters.
    you can also charge them rather fast and they store a lot more energy ~100mAh.

    i highly recommend a battery protection IC. i dont think i need to tell anyone what can happen to li-cells if you exceed their ratings, (if someone doesn't know, search for lipo destruction on yt.)

    the battery management and inductive charging would be a great addition to other projects. tell me if you need help with it, i am looking into it for the southpaw so we could streamline the modules for maximum re-use-ability
  • RE the people going "that thing looks kinda big to implant" stuff, it's no bigger than the subcutaneous penile implants that people can get for erectile dysfunction (they're like penis pumps, but under the skin) - por exemple: 

    PS @DirectorX, would that video be at all helpful in figuring out the procedure? The location/entry cut for the implant in that video are similar to where you're planning to put your vibrator, right? Except yours would be left closer to the surface?

    Oh, and, if you get around to really doing this, good luck and godspeed. You are a brave man for wanting to operate on yourself around the jewels :p that said, this sort of thing could make the general populace take more interest in subdermals and h+ in general. Whilst lots of people are like "ew why would you need magnets in your fingers that's just weird" (thinking about the flak Lepht gets), because they don't really see any advantage to it (no curiosity!), I can imagine a LOT of dudes hearing about this and wanting to give themselves vibrating penis superpowers too... so amusingly, this sort of thing is likely to make people see h+ in a much better light :p
  • DirectorXDirectorX May 2011
    @Erinaceous: Yes, that is where I planned on putting it. That was a good video, thanks for posting it. It gave me an idea too! I could actually keep a power supply in my scrotum and run a wire to the device itself to minimize the size of the implant. The scrotum is stretchy enough to house it. I might be able to add a dynamo or something on there so I can manually pump charge the batteries instead of relying on inductive methods. Even better would be an all mechanical device like a seesaw or something.

    I can see a lot of people wanting to get it done too. I've talked with body modification people and they will buy the hell out of them if I can build a good device. I had an engineer who wanted to help out, but he dropped off the face of the earth or something because he isn't responding to his emails anymore. So yeah, the offer still stands if anyone wanted to collaborate and share proceeds.

     <if you build it, they will come>
  • @DirectorX: Congratulations, that's the worst pun on the site. Possibly the worst one that will EVER be on the site. You deserve some sort of medal. ",)
  • IanIan November 2011
    @DirectorX:  If this project is still back at square one, I would be able to help out, once finals are over and I stop being busy.  I should warn you, though, that I haven't taken engineering classes in ages, and I'm a fairly crap engineer.  That said, I'll help out with whatever I can.

  • IanIan June 2012
    Bumping this because it's totally awesome.
  • Just wondering whether this is to stimulate you, a partner, or both?
  • DirectorXDirectorX June 2012
    For my partner mostly. One fear that I have is that the extra sensation might be too much for me. I'd hate to last only 2 seconds, since my partner is accustomed to at least 3 seconds.
  • samppavoncyborgsamppavoncyborg November 2012
    it's nice to see that someone else also working on this kind of project. i've been working on it with professional ppl last 7 years and finally now recently we managed to solve many major problems what we had before. one was a battery as we tried supercapacitors etc, but none of them were good enough and they definitely weren't reliable enough. however, we got 35min running time with custom made thin supercapacitor. but we had may other problems with those capacitors, example they started leaking etc.

    also about the kinetic generator, watch kinetic generator doesn't generate enough power, so u won't get any benefit of that. we made prototype of kinetic generator(which was presented in bizarre magazine couple of years ago) and we got way more power out than southampton university with their mini kinetic generator. problem with our kinetic generator was, that too many mechanical parts what can cause failure and also we needed almost 1W output, and with so small device it's pretty much impossible to get.

     anyway, we expect to have first implantable prototype ready by next summer. first one will be LED-light implant only, but it uses same platform than our vibrating implant, so pretty soon after that we can make vibrating implant prototype as well if LED implant won't show any problems.
    i wish i could give u some advices, but unfortunately i can't as i've been working on this project since 2000 and i feel like this is my baby, so i dont want to share any technical information. but if u can't manage to finish ur project, im more than happy to implant u my vibrator when its ready ;)
    if u want to chat more about this, please email me [email protected]
  • DirectorXDirectorX November 2012
    @samppavoncyborg I'll send you an email when my prototype (attempt 6) is done. If it doesn't work I will be emailing you for sure to get your implant. I designed one for females too, but I need a lot more female feedback before I start building it. Historically men have made some very bad designs for female anatomy despite having good intentions, so I probably need more research.

    We have one method for charging that is working in a different device, the HELEDD, which has LEDs, pulse monitor, some other features. If all goes well we will aim for implantation within 30 days. This is an open source project, so you can use anything that looks useful when the design is released.
  • OakOak November 2012
    Glad to see this is still alive. I'm really, really curious to read about how it turns out. If it gets high praise after test runs, I might consider it for myself.
  • hassane32hassane32 May 2016
    Hi, I really like what you are doing you can't imagine how much such an invention could help me and people with anejaculation problem and may be SCI to help us ejaculate through a vibrator implanted in our body there's what we call PVS Penile vibratory stimulation .. it helps people with BDSM or Anejaculation to ejaculate through a vibrator that would solve the problem of my life I hope you succeed and help us get over this problem .... I hope the implant works
  • any updates about this implant? I'm super interested. also, I'm suprised that this hasn't made more headlines LOL. 
  • DirectorXDirectorX May 2016
    Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. I've been on the road. This project has been a labor of love, and hopefully I will have the first one implanted in a few weeks. I will release the build instructions if I feel the design is good and aiming my dick isn't sent to Valhalla in a fiery explosion.
  • hassane32hassane32 May 2016
    I am not in too much of technology I would like to know

    1 What type of recharging you'd use for the vibrator ?
    2 What application you use to play the vibrator or via Bluetooth to which device ?
    3 Will the implantation be in the pubic fat or in the middle or head of the penis ?
    4 Could you give us more informations and photos about the prototype
  • A friend of mine has implants in her back along with a battery pack. She charges it with a type of NFC wireless charger that has better range than the usual cell phone wireless charging. I don't know anything about the make or model of it. I assume that would be the way to do it. A charge port would be a higher risk of complication.

    Though my friend's battery malfunctioned and she had to sit with her back right against the wall where the charger is. It was eventually replaced with one that has a charge port and she's going back to wireless, even if it malfunctions again. She liked that better than the open charge port because she found it too uncomfortable. I imagine it would be more so in the pubic region compared to lower back.
  • BenbeezyBenbeezy May 2016

    1) qi is the charging that is being use
    2) you can use a phone app, or computer application to connect to the device and and one of you can be in control of the device during sex, or if you want I will be programming different repeating patterns.
    3) it will be in the pubic fat, its to big to be put in the penis its self.

    @ketzevonstich I would love to know what she had, I have never seen something that charges wirelessly in a true medical implant. What is the purpose of that implant do you know?
  • I'll see if she knows what the wireless system was next time I talk to her. The implant itself was essentially a TENS unit implanted in her spine for pain relief.

    She has a degenerative bone condition that caused bone spurs to grow from her vertebrae into the surrounding muscles and into her spinal cord. It normally can be treated by surgical removal of the spurs, but her condition was so aggressive that they would have to operate multiple times a year. She's already developed a high tolerance to prescription narcotics so this was one of the few options she had left.
  • First of all: BBBwWWWAAHAHHAAHHAAAHAA!!!!  I have never laughed so much about vibrators in my LIFE. This is frickin awesome! :D 
    Second: maybe think of rigging a wireless charger pad, like for phones? A mini lithium battery should be no biggy, so why not? maybe design it like a condom or a band and sleep with it.
    Third: lol to the "thats what she said" crack. I would have said it myself if you didnt already. So much for maturity guys!! ;D
  • Dragon5Dragon5 June 2016
    @DirectorX am i missing something? or... has nobody really mentioned this factor? (first off, is the purpose of the device one of intimate use?)  
    if that is the case, upon healing after implantation, would it not completely destroy the tissue surrounding it if one were to thrust the one eyed snake into a crevice of some sort? assuming the crevice is not overly wide, and fits the weapon of ass destruction snugly, the device, which i would assume would create a bump on your cervix crusader, would , unless it was somehow anchored really firmly in there, would bruise the hell out of your skin flute, if not tear tissue it is connected to... 
  • That was the best typed question I've ever read.
  • ZerbulaZerbula June 2016
    @Meanderpaul i was thinking it was just one of the biggest excuses to squeeze in as many references to the male genitalia as possible... Pardon me, I'll be in the corner, flustered.


    @dragon5 the entirety of the device is not going to be located within the Knight's sword itself, If i understood what was said correctly earlier up in it's description. 
  • @zerbula it absolutely was which is why I thought it was comical.

    @dragon5 the location was, I believe a discussion on possible locations but not located at the bone. It can be stimulated with out going into the big guy.
  • Dragon5Dragon5 June 2016
    wait. so... a wearable? or... i'm confused.
    also apologies to @Zerbula my dear sir, i did not mean to fluster, just thought i could have some fun with the terminology without reffering to the anatomical protrudance by its typical mundane name. 
     ok. so i found this :  "The implant isn't going very deep.  It needs to stay close to the surface so that the vibrations aren't absorbed by excess tissue.  The whole thing will be sealed in silicone, so I'm not too concerned about a short."  so my question still stands... because if you look at the implant video up there, it was implanted smack dab in the center... i would assume that would be the most logical spot for the purpose of the implant... 
  • ZerbulaZerbula June 2016
    @Dragon5 "Here it is in a nutshell: I’m going to implant a vibrating subdermal implant just above my meat straw, on the pubic bone.  Yes, this means I will continue to be the world’s greatest lover (eight years in a row in my income division).  It is a crown that I promise to wear with zero humility. "

    For lack of... Fuck, my face hurts. Color me a prude. x-x lol
  • I AM DYING. You guys...make my sides hurt...from laughing too hard. Please make this a thing. I'll buy it for my own man, if he'd consider it. So just from the opposite end, I'm all for it. 
  • ZerbulaZerbula June 2016

    *Will be dying in the corner.
  • @Zerbula *will revive you with strong drink. I just think its hilarious. XD
  • Dragon5Dragon5 June 2016
    ok . so it is implanted on the pubic bone area. (incidentally i had not known that we even had a bone there...)  but ok. so if it's there. you'd basically have to stay all the way in. for the device to create feelings of happiness in whoever you're in...    the way i'm visualizing it , it does not make any sense... help. please.

  • Dr_AllcomeDr_Allcome June 2016
    Well if you shake the base of the tree then the whole tree shakes right? 

    But yes, I guess your partner would only feel the full effect if they were riding all the way down to the trunk. 

    A lot like the little vibrating magic rings you can buy. Of course those have the added advantage of um... "extending duration". The batteries only last 20mins tho so for the rest of the evenings the wood is "buzz" free.

    I guess if you were planning on direct stimulation from (pubic bone to pubic bone as it were) then you could use those flat "coin" style vibrator motors like they used to use in pagers?

    I also think the idea of a kinetic generator in your happy sack is excellent, so any play with the smooth criminals during the pre-show just adds the charge for second half....ergonomic and entertaining.

    Apologies @Zerbula.
  • If my partner's pubic bone was vibrating, that would make things fun for sure. I know there's vibrators for women that are supposed to fit along with everything else during sex for both partners to enjoy, but I don't know how that plays out in real life.

    > Well if you shake the base of the tree then the whole tree shakes right? <

    And now I have the best visual in my head...
  • Dr_AllcomeDr_Allcome June 2016
    I couldn't help myself... language may have been humours, but it was serious feedback.

    Also after writing that I got wondering if the pitch of the vibration would be something you could change, possibly sync with an audio signal... [LINK]

    I mean if we're implanting for play rather than to recover basic functionality why would we be limited to just a basic vide? Why not add a bluetooth remote and install the app on your partners phone?

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