Just implanted my first magnet
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    I started looking around for a magnet in late 2015, with absolutely no luck. Went away for like 10 months and missed a big batch of m31's (my dream magnet), so I settled for a haworth magnet instead.

    It came in the mail today and I quickly set up my workstation and began cutting. It was literally hell, and I made a huge mistake not using any numbing agent other than ice water, because it hurt like a bitch. I had to go back and widen the hole three times, and by the second time my vision was swimming and I thought I was going to lose consciousness. At one point I accidentally scraped my bone with the tip of the knife, which was unintended, and it felt like nails on a chalkboard - except I was the chalkboard. Almost vomited right there. It took four total insertions of the blade to actually make a hole of the right proportions to fit the magnet. Somehow I plopped the magnet in, but I ended up just bandaging it rather than using stitches because I was in too much pain and too lightheaded to continue hurting myself.

    It's been about six hours since it went in now and the skin has sealed back up over the wound. I took a video, but for various reasons including me being a pussy and my girlfriend being in the frame, I'd rather not post it. I'll update on how the magnet fares in a month or two, if I remember to come back.
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    Did you spend any time planning this out? I mean, it sounds like you'll be lucky if it didn't reject.

    I thought Haworth only sold to professionals....
  • ChrisBotChrisBot October 2016
    You scraped bone?? That's pretty hardcore for no numbing agents. You definitely didn't need to go that far, and hopefully you did not cause any lasting nerve damage.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    I had it all planned out in my head, but it's a big difference between plans and reality sometimes, I found out the hard way that I really wasn't ready to perform surgery on myself. If I had to do it again Id do it professionally

    I can be sure that the wound is clean, and infection isn't a huge risk here. I just have to hope that I did it right. I didn't put the magnet as far as the bone, it's just that the tip of the narrow knife touched the bone, trying to make a hole deep enough for the magnet
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine October 2016
    You're sure it's clean? So, you did involve some form of sterilization,
    right? Sterilization more effective than fire and vodka?

    I get that not every grind is going to be perfect, and most of us here are working with limited resources. I personally /adore/ that facet of many of the projects here. But please, for the sake of all you revere, take time to research. Take time not just to plan, but plan more thoroughly. Consider your risks and mitigate them.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    No, it was literally fire and rum. Propane torch, got the blade red hot, dipped it to cool it, and just started cutting. Had the finger soaped clean then held in the ice water, it was never going to be perfect but it came out pretty well. I did a bit of research, but in the end I decided to take a calculated risk with it.

    I've been redressing it with gauze and antibiotic ointment every six hours, cleaning it carefully each time. Now it's a waiting game. Fingers crossed :P
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine October 2016
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    In all seriousness though, definitely keep a very close eye out for infection. Do you have plans to document the healing? Like, a picture a day or so? Infection risk aside, I have a feeling the depth will make a rough heal. It'll be interesting to see how it progresses.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    Ill probably take a picture next time I change the bandaging, and I'll document the rejection/infection if it should occur. I plan to give it at least a week before removing it if it gets infected or begins to reject, I dont think I have the skill or will to try implanting it a second time should it fail.
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    lol BirdMachine - a vodka bottle is only good as a sharps container, not as 
    sterilization.
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine October 2016
    Exactly why it's my example as, well, a bad approach :p I'm guessing rum would be even worse, given the sugars in it? I mean, worse relatively. 
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz October 2016
    I didn't realize an individual could buy the Haworth magnets but it looks like you can. 

    https://steve-haworth-modified-llc.myshopify.com/collections/magnets

    It looks like these magnets do not come already sterile.  What method was used to sterilize it?

    I would expect problems with this implant but I hope we get the updates good or bad on how this turns out. 

    I wish someone would keep adding to the Wiki pages.  There are lots of blank pages there that could be filled with at least an example of the right way this sort of thing should be done.
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    It's in his FAQ that says he will only sell to professionals....
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    He accepted my payment, dunno what to say. Were there good video tutorials, I would have watched one before going at it. I just inspected the wound and it looks totally fine, no swelling or redness, just a cut as you might imagine. Here is an imgur album http://m.imgur.com/a/dop6o

    Taken about twenty four hours post.
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    Did you use anything as a guide?

  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul October 2016
    Ok I'm pretty sure I know your answer but I want to be 100%....your kidding or not with using torch and rum?
  • MagnerSmasherMagnerSmasher October 2016
    I also recently implanted my first magnet, I had one of my buddies do the cutting the first time, but we were both pretty hesitant about the whole pain aspect. He didn't cut deep enough the first time and me being an amateur, allowed it to begin healing. Eventually I realized that it wasn't exactly healing correctly so I widened the incision and it seemingly fit fine. Its healing right now actually, seems to be doing much better. Btw how long should it take for the wound to heal? I have a rough idea, but i would like an experienced opinion.   
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    We need a test dummy to implant magnets that are sterilized by different liquors....
  • IvoTheSquireIvoTheSquire October 2016
    You WHAT? Your eyes were swimming and you almost lost conscious and you KEPT GOING???

    I am shocked by this. At that point the whole thing should have been aborted. Heck, when the pain got too much it should have been aborted way before that point. You have been severely distracted by the pain and you risked a lot of harm to yourself.

    I hope that you're lucky, because osteomyelitis is not fun. Getting septic shock is NOT FUN. I haven't heard anyone getting serious complications from magnet implants yet. I hope it doesn't start with you.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    I checked it again while changing the bandages and it still looks perfectly fine. No swelling, redness or fluids leaking. I think I dodged the bullet.

    I did want to stop when my vision was swimming but at that point I knew if I quit I'd never get back on the horse, and this was a dream of mine so I just pressed on after sitting for a minute.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    And no, I didn't use a guide, and the rum and torch thing is not a joke. I had no other supplies available.
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    Dafuq? How old are you? I'm just trying to figure out if you had to raid daddy's liquor supply. We could probably get a GoFundMe going to replenish his supply before he will notice lol
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    I'm 19 but I didn't raid anyone's liquor supply, I had the bottle sitting around
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine October 2016
    jfc, this might need to be in some hall of fame along with the mushroom computer, along the lines of "Don't be this kid" -.- Seriously. Irresponsible bloodbaths like this could kill you, and bring the entire community down with you should some zealous regulation types decide your mistakes have made this whole thing too dangerous. I mean, I guess you get points for gouging a hole in yourself far beyond what you body was willing to put up with. I mean, incredible levels of pain, bloodloss, suffering, sepsis, fever, infection, and death is wayyyy better than being a dreaded 'pussy' or 'bitch' -.-

    You say you planed, but then you didn't even use a guide? How can you take a 'calculated risk' when the calculating part never happened? Didn't look up alcohol sterilization once (guessing not, since you clearly missed how bad of an idea that is)? What was this 'planning'? Did it consist of waking up one day and going "Well fuck I guess it's time to bore a hole in my flesh without taking two minutes to look up the word magnet?" Because honestly that even sounds more prepared than this cascade of fuckery.
  • BoboTheEpicBoboTheEpic October 2016
    I, for one, hope that everything turns out OK. Buuuut you might wanna get some triple antibac or something for next time at least.

    EDIT: At the very least use alcohol at 50%+ alcohol content, and remember that it is not a sterilizing agent, only a disinfectant.
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz October 2016
    Here's a link to some Disinfectant and Sterilization Recommendations.

    It is from a veterinary site but should sill be relevant to human animals.

    What surprised me was the amount of time required.  Also, the need to "Rinse with sterile water or saline prior to use on animal tissues." was something I hadn't considered before.

    I can't imagine the rum being real good if 70% ethyl alcohol, 70-99% isopropyl alcohol is "NOT ACCEPTABLE AS A PRIMARY DISINFECTANT. Not a high-level disinfectant, alcohols must be used in conjunction with an iodophore or chlorhexidine."

    At the bottom of the linked page, it lists a 2 minute immersion time for tools cleaned in 70% isopropyl alcohol for the tools.

    That being said, I have used a torch to sterilize a scalpel before.  This was NOT for surgery but still needed to be free from any contamination.  I heated the blade glowing hot and cooled it in clean rubbing alcohol and then reflamed the blade to burn off the alcohol.  It worked most of the time but, surprisingly, the alcohol didn't always kill everything and spores sometimes survived if the jar of alcohol was contaminated.

  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    The blade was sterilized, of that I'm sure. Most of the blade became literally red hot before it entered my skin. The wound at 42 hours post is still uninfected and painless. Each time it had to reenter my skin I repeated the heating and cooling process. The magnet sat in the rum for over an hour, and the rum was cut partially with concentrated hydrogen peroxide. I threw in the rum for kicks


    I had a reasonable expectation and knew generally how deep to go, and the magnet itself is not bone deep, the blade was just so long that it did happen to reach that point. I couldn't tell where it was while my finger was numb from ice.

    And really lol a Darwin Award? Pls. I'll keep you updated as best I can since you're all so infuriated lol. I've been keeping the wound clean in frequently changed bandages and continue to apply triple antibiotic ointment with each bandage change, I think I'll be alright and I wouldn't call it a miracle if that is the truth
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz October 2016
    Considering how most of us have been accidentally cut with all kinds of dirty "tools", it won't surprise me if this implanted magnet heals up.

    I know I have been cut open by lots of rocks, sticks, and rusty bits of metal and survived with only a few scars. 

    Keep watching it and keep it clean.  I mean, right or wrong, it is already done.  Now just wait and see how it turns out.
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul October 2016
    Wow. So I was wrong thinking you were joking....please for the love of God post that video. I need to see this in action. Get a free video editor and blur the girls face if you care that much.

    I'm not really sure why it's a big deal to have your girl in frame or how much of a bitch you look like in video the fact that if you did actually do everything and have happen everything you have said then your a tough son of a bitch....a dumb, impatient, risky tough son of a bitch.

    Post the video PLEASE.
  • CassoxCassox October 2016
    OK. Fuck it. I have an enourmous guide about half finished. I'll make it my priority now.
  • ZerbulaZerbula October 2016
    #_#

    Please post the video.

    Please keep it sealed with triple antibiotic ointment. Please do not agitate, play with the magnet, or expose it to any mechanical stress.

    Photograph and watch it like crazy.


    PLEASE READ MORE THINGS. C_C PLEASE. For your own benefit.

    Wish for the best! ^^
  • ightdenightden October 2016
    >mfw injectable Xylocaine and prepackaged single use sterilized scalpels are available online, but OP uses a blowtorch and liquor.

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    Also, keeping trible-bac on the implant site constantly as Zerbula suggests is ill advised.  After the first couple of days the wound is healed from the outside and topical antibiotics do not penetrate the skin and by doing so you only increase the risk of rejection due to not keeping the site clean and dry as it goes through the healing process.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    I will try to upload that video to YouTube, but it'll take hours and I keep screwing up the upload. If I do, I just ask that you guys not put the video anywhere because it's kind of embarrassing
  • ZerbulaZerbula October 2016
    Thanks @Ightden. Little bit of a blank... Got to this late and forgot it wasn't just done. >3<<br />
    A book can be a hundred years old and still be new the first time someone reads it.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    https://youtu.be/7BFh-gtVWTY

    Have mercy, I know I sound funny, I was nervous and in pain. Barely conscious at a few points.

    And today was day 4, still no sign of infection or rejection and I can sense the microwave.
  • ightdenightden October 2016
    You should really avoid trying to get sensation from it for at least a month to avoid rejection.  I know it's tough to not play with it in the meantime though.
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul October 2016
    Wow that was just as insane as I thought it was from the mental picture. I gotta give it to you, your a tough bastard. That's was even a scalpel either. Was it a new exacto blade or just a reused one cause if it was used and slightly dull..I mean damn bro.

    Definitely take it easy on playing with it and such let that thing heal fully. The cards are already stacked against you. I REALLY want this to not reject as a testament to the body not being as vulnerable as people think.
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine October 2016
    oh geez, that was a heck of a wild video :O
    I agree on trying to avoid the sensory feedback for a bit longer as it continues to heal further. Though, it's pretty fun to find the surprise clouds of 'fuzzyness' where they weren't just days ago :)
    And sorry for being particularly salty. It was meaner than I intended, my bad. It sounds like you're on the way to healing up, so yeah, keep that close eye on it and here's hoping the thing stays put
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    I dont know what normal sensation is like, I can only sense the microwave from one position and in a range of around 3 inches. I'm a bit worried I didn't implant it in a great spot for sensation.
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine October 2016
    No that's about right. At least I think it is? Every microwave I've felt around typically has one primary area that put out a lot stronger field than the rest. Once it heals up a little more, the nerves around the site should hopefully regrow. Once that happens, you'll be able to pick up on weaker fields as well, and from further away. If it keeps vibrating while you're healing however, that'll probably stunt nerve regrowth and in the end it won't be as sensitive as it could have been.
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul October 2016
    I gotta say your also being a great sport in taking the lashings from member kudos to you to that too.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    Thanks lol, I try.worked very physically today, busted it like four times and now it's turned black and blue. Hopefully it doesn't reject, I can't help that I work with heavy stuff all day.
  • ChrisBotChrisBot October 2016
    @Chase561, I work a very physically demanding job as well and my magnet has been beaten up pretty bad too, I've bruised it a few times. I would recommend getting some gauze and wrapping it with a bandage around your finger tip. It's a little bulky but it gives you some additional protection and peace of mind.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    http://imgur.com/a/V6Frv Finger update
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens October 2016
    Invalid imgur link.
  • Chase561Chase561 October 2016
    Fixed, it was a mobile link
  • TheGreyKnightTheGreyKnight October 2016
    How's it look? And do you know which direction you pocketed in that picture?

    I'm sorely tempted to write a guide on how to do implants using only low-tech, around the house equipment "safely". Maybe even make a video on how to do it. I have the sneaking suspicion that it would be used far more than it ought to. Which scares me.

    What kind of water were you dipping your finger to chill it? And how'd you make that ice? Normally, I'd avoid doing that, just because contamination issues, but honestly, I doubt it was any more dangerous than using peroxide cut with rum to sterilize.
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz October 2016
    @TheGreyKnight  PLEASE do write that guide.  If someone is going to do it "wrong", they should at least do it in the best way possible without a bunch of special tools.

    I saw the Lepht anonym videos before I found this forum and that's probably where the Sugru and hot melt glue ideas came from as well as the vodka idea.  Those are interesting videos though so they shouldn't be removed.  They shouldn't be used as a DIY guide though.

    The ice water was something I was wondering about.  Especially when it became bloody.  A recent post mentioned soaking a gloved finger in ice water
    iced isopropyl alcohol to numb.  I know rubbing alcohol isn't a perfect sterilizing agent but I would have (right or wrong) wiped the finger off with the rubbing alcohol (cheaper, more available, and probably better than rum or vodka) before the cutting began.

    I don't think the video of this implant mentioned anything about cleaning the work space and other "tricks" like closing any windows or doors an hour or so before the operation to give dust a chance to settle to the floor and making sure there isn't a fan, air conditioner, or forced air heater moving the dust around.

    I'm hoping this implant heals up and stays good.  I'm no expert but the last picture looks real good to me.  The body is pretty good at healing itself.  Hopefully it isn't working at figuring a way to get this foreign object out of its new home right now.  The gauze idea sounds like a good one to give a little more cushion to the fresh implant.  Even a little pad of paper towel held on with duct tape or electrical tape has worked for me to avoid ripping open a wound before when a band aid wasn't available. 
  • IvoTheSquireIvoTheSquire October 2016
    On the contrary, now that I have a brief skim of the video, it doesn't look as brutal you make it. Though you seem to be psyching yourself out a bit. I take what I said back: this is nowhere near as uncontrolled as I thought.I didn't realize that you've taken rests in between when it became too overbearing. That's good.

    Also, I'm not really sure if you've actually touched bone, judging from the angle and the depth of the knife that I can see (though it's not really clear). Also, the would looks real good in the picture. Which is a plus.

  • Chase561Chase561 November 2016
    One month update

    http://m.imgur.com/a/euWsK

    I win mwahaaahahahahaahahahahahaha
    The wound is completely sealed. Magnet is slightly too close to the surface but I can live with that. It isn't close enough to burst through and it is not painful to touch and is sensitive enough to be useful. I've used it a lot for holding small screws while repairing phones and stuff like that.

    Over the month that it was healing, I never left it alone for a second. I slammed it in a door, reopened it, lifted concrete with that hand, rubbed it, held paperclips with it, I really did not let it rest for a single moment. The body is more resilient than many of the people on this forum give it credit for and it healed against what many would consider to be terrible odds.

    Overall I am very satisfied with my implant and would do it again in a heartbeat :3
  • BirdMachineBirdMachine November 2016
    Grats on a clean heal and overcoming the odds :) Good to hear the nerves were still able to regrow enough to provide field feedback. 
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens November 2016
    I wouldn't quite call one month a celebratory mark....

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