Magnet Status
  • @ChrisBot have you implanted your tester magnet yet?  Just curious.  

    @AlexSmith are there any updates this month?
  • ChrisBotChrisBot March 16
    @PostHumanist, no I havent. I removed my previous magnet a few weeks ago so I am waiting for my ring finger to heal. I have also be focusing on the recover from my botched FlexNT install. Hopefully within the next month or so I will.
  • I was talking with some of my fellow electricians, yesterday, about biomagnets.  They were pretty enthused about the idea, like myself.  The ability to sense an electromagnet caused by a live AC circuit is a game changer. 

    If this, miraculously, catches on in the industry, it will save a lot of lives.

    Electrocution only causes about 5% of deaths in the workplace, but that's 5% that can be avoided with this procedure.  

    Now, if we could only invent a biohack to keep us from falling off of ladders...
  • rpykarpyka March 21
    Hey all, I should probably post an update.

    I was one of the testers who got a magnet from Alex. After I received it I gave it a quick visual visual inspection, I went ahead and got it implanted in my right pinky on October 9th. The incision didn't really heal well and over the next couple weeks the skin was dry and the implant didn't look happy. Best guess was that it settled too close to the incision and just got pushed out since I used a small magnet to check placement and orientation and it was right under the incision, resting perpendicular to the skin. Also it was pretty visible through the skin towards the end (and itched a lot, which sucked). On October 31, with a little encouragement from a bigger magnet, it came right out.

    Since it seemed to be rejection from placement rather than rejection from coating, I looked it over for any scratches or issues and found none, and it held up fine in a saline bath for a couple days, I decided to re-implant it. I re-implanted it, this time in my left pinky, on November 13 and we were sure to make the pocket deep enough and use magnets to help guide the implant fully into the pocket to avoid another rejection. This time the incision healed quickly and I had no issues there. Within a few weeks the site around the magnet was a bit swollen and tender, but I didn't think too much of it and it seemed to be getting better. The swelling went down a little but never fully went away, and then around January I noticed a dark spot appearing in the swollen area. In February not much had changed, still the little bump with tiny dark spot so I figured I should take it out. And finally a couple weeks ago (March 9th) I took the magnet out. The coating had failed on one of the edges, and there was a clump of corroded magnet stuff poking out that matched up with the dark spot I'd been seeing. So yeah, probably not the result everyone hoped for, but we still got some useful information out of the trial.

    TL;DR: Test magnet had a coating failure.
  • ChrisBotChrisBot March 23
    @rpyka, are you sure that the coating wasn't scratched while you were taking it out? 
  • rpykarpyka March 23
    I'm positive. My phone doesn't like to take good pictures of something as small as the magnet, but this is from a picture right after I removed it. This is exactly how it came out. The dark spot was on the far side of the incision, and on the edge of the magnet towards the tip of the place you can see the large section that's bad. Definitely not a scratch from the removal. Pic: http://imgur.com/CTDlAcS

  • ChrisBotChrisBot March 23
    I am convinced! I still have my test mag as well and I hope to do the implant within the next few weeks,
  • rpykarpyka March 23
    I took a look at it again today, and there was originally a very shallow pit on the magnet which I didn't think too much of since it was so shallow and was also covered by the coating. But since I can't find that pit now, it looks like it failed in that area. Here's a better pic of the magnet: http://imgur.com/Y67wqiG
  • ChrisBotChrisBot March 23
    @rpyka, oh my goodness, that is a gnarly picture
  • CaiaCaia March 31
    I have a question.

    Would there be some issue with coating the magnets with the same material that the NFC chips use?

    It's some kind of glass right? I know it could be tricky to actually coat them, but doesn't it solve the whole rejection issue?
  • ChrisBotChrisBot March 31
    @Caia, nah. Those are glass capsules that are manufactured and then have the important bits pushed into them and then sealed off. 

    Coating a magnet in molten glass would make it not  magnet any more...
  • ThomasEgiThomasEgi March 31
    ..unless you use a laser to melt glass powder onto the surface. Not saying that'd make a lot of sense but it might be possible.
  • ChrisBotChrisBot March 31
    @ThomasEgi, I like your style....
  • _Larry__Larry_ March 31
    @ThomasEgi would the laser not cause loss of magnetism? I dont know if it does it with just a little heat but if you get a magnet white hot it will lose its magnetism.
  • ThomasEgiThomasEgi March 31
    the thing with lasers is, you can create very high ammounts of heat in insanely small spots. So you can melt the surface , and just the surface with one or a few laser pulses. But you don't bring in enough energy for the magnet to really heat up to a level where it gets damaged. So you can work very slowly, one tiny bit at a time. At least in theory.
  • Is the dental resin that is pliable until hardened with a blue light biosafe? If so, this would be a way to coat an implant in a rock hard substance with no heat.

  • ZerbulaZerbula April 1
    @posthumanist it is, as far as I recall.

    However, consider the thickness of the layer compared to Parylene, TiN or Au... Resin can add an impractical amount of thickness, methinks. :c
  • CaiaCaia April 4
    Is anyone willing to take me as a tester? 

    I've been waiting so long now, if more testers helps then I'm willing to do it :)
  • Yeah, as @rpyka posted, his test magnet failed, so while I'll keep working on implantable magnets, the current batch isn't good enough.

    I think magnet implants are great, but it has to be done right, and sadly getting it right is very hard in this case. But I'll keep working on it until I have a safe implantable magnet.
  • Thom88oThom88o April 8
    Hey all. New poster old lurker.
    I've finally pulled enough gumption to try source myself a magnet. I've looked for them. Can't find any.
    So was wondering if anyone here can tell me where to find one.

    Thanks all
  • @Thom88o



    https://steve-haworth-modified-llc.myshopify.com/collections/magnets

    I have no experience with these magnets or that company but I think someone on this group recently bought one.  It looks like you can add them to your cart on that site so I assume they are available.
  • Does anyone have any insight as to what type of silicone coating Steve Haworth uses on his magnets?
  • McSTUFFMcSTUFF April 17
    @PostHumanist, gold plating on the magnet then a silicone coating over that.

  • SlpzdSlpzd April 17
    @Birdhandz do u know how safe/secure it would be to get in from them? 

  • BirdhandzBirdhandz April 17
    @Slpzd

    I have never ordered anything from them but they have been doing this for a long time so I wouldn't hesitate to order from them.

    https://steve-haworth-modified-llc.myshopify.com/pages/about-us

    The cheapest magnets from that site are twice the cost of what Alex was hoping to sell his for but I think they are the only ones available right now that are specifically made for implanting.


  • Right. I was asking what type of silicone coating specifically @McSTUFF. I'm looking at a couple of bioinert RTV silicones and some epoxies. Just curious if anyone knew.
  • BeanoBeano April 18
    @McSTUFF, actually, the Haworth magnets are no longer coated in gold first. It seems that he feels confident in his latest injection molding process and finds it unnecessary. From what I've heard, the silicone he uses now is supposed to be as tough as car tire rubber, where before he used a softer silicone.

    I know this because i got tired of waiting for the M31 and decided to go with a Haworth for my first magnet. Put it in about 3 months ago and love it! While I know its not as powerful or as good as an M31, I still think its a great option for those that cant wait. He says on the website that he only sells to trained professional body mod artists, but there is nothing stopping anyone from buying one.
  • @Beano does Haworth use an N48 instead of the N52?  Also, if he only sells to pro mod artists how would anyone else be able to buy one?
  • BeanoBeano April 20
    @PostHumanist He advertises that it is an N52 but I saw somebody say that when they tested it outside of the silicone, it rated lower. They said it might be due to heat exposure in the injection molding process. It is also very small so that it isnt too bulky with the silicone. So, it isnt too powerful but works great for sensing magnetic fields which is what i wanted. The heaviest thing i can pick up is a small paperclip but i can interact with other magnets easily and pick up even heavy magnets. He does have a larger magnet specifically made for lifting things though so theres that. So, while not as good as the M31, i still love it and think its still a great option despite the price.

    As far as being able to buy it, he states that he will not sell to just anybody but professionals, but if you go on the website and add to cart, you can buy it just like any other online store. There is nothing to stop you.
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee April 22
    @Beano so would that be a good sensing magnet? because iv been on this threadfor a long time waiting for these magnets to be back in stock, i just want a sensing magnet 
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee April 22
    and what is the difference between the magicians magnet and the 100$ one ?
  • BeanoBeano April 24
    @lolsmcfee In my opinion it still makes for a great sensing magnet. I still plan to wait for an M31 for my other hand but in the meantime I'm very happy with what I have. The magicians magnet is just a larger magnet designed for lifting objects. It states on the website that due to the size, it isn't as good at sensing. With a larger size and more mass, it is harder for a weak magnetic field to produce a noticeable vibration.
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee April 24
    awesome i think il pick one up, last question do you know if your are able to fly with this in your finger,  the sensing one?
  • ChrisBotChrisBot April 24
    @lolsmcfee, yes you can fly no problem with these. The metal detectors are calibrated for small bits of metal that can't be removed (buttons, pins, ect.)
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee April 24
    awesome thats all i need to know to get one 
  • CaiaCaia April 28
    How would I go about finding somewhere to implant a magnet?

    I live in Cornwall UK, I can think of a few body shops but I don't know if any of them would be willing to do something like this.
  • HunterHunter May 12
    Any news? Hoping they come out soon. If any help is needed for testing I would love to help.

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