Magnet Status
  • If you offered a kit which included the magnet, scalpel, and everything, I would be happy to pay extra! : )
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens July 2016
    that be cool as well - but obviously at a higher price point.
  • AerisAeris July 2016
    Perhaps that could be a separate thing for people who don't have the equipment.
  • I would pay more for everything in one. Heck if one even came with lido I'd pay even more. I hate piecemealing things together.

    I still don't know anyone in my state that can do it for me so obviously I'm still waiting till I can track that down. My absolute last resort is going north to where I know I can get one done.
  • ChrisBotChrisBot July 2016
    Updated the first post! Sorry, I haven't been around too much lately. Also, the character limit is still fighting me for some reason, and it seems to be pretty inconsistent
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens July 2016
    Meanderpaul - Where you located?
  • Massachusetts
  • eggiteggit July 2016
    @AlexSmith I'm not sure what info would really be gained either, unless the increased magnifications highlights a failure point like a scratch or something. Anyways the offer is out there, and I guess for anyone else that might want something inspected. Here is a pic taken with the scope for reference.

    image

    The resolution should be higher. I didn't have a flash drive with me and I think e-mailing it to myself compressed it. Anyways, the vertical lines are measuring .1mm or 100 microns on our calibration scale. To give you a sense of the detail it shows, those diagonal lines are the grain in the smooth piece of glass covering the scale. We may have a higher power lens for it too, but we never use it and I couldn't find it.
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz July 2016
    I can't tell how this signing up thing works but put me on the waiting list.  I assume these could be bought long before the actual implant if they are not damaged before that happens.  I'm still playing around gluing magnets to my fingers but want to eventually implant one.  Just not immediately (or even quickly) after receiving it.
  • NLmaxNLmax July 2016
    @AlexSmith , could you add me to the list aswell ? :) :)
  • EzeraqEzeraq July 2016
    Could you add me to the list please
  • AlexSmithAlexSmith July 2016
    Added. yeah, as long as you don't damage the coating you can keep the magnet indefinitely before implanting. 

    @eggit if the current testing goes well, I'll send you to take close up pics of near the end of the month.

    Nothing new to report really. It's been implanted for 6 days now. the bruising has mostly faded. I was worried it had got infected a couple of days ago because one side of the wound (the side opposite the magnet) was very red, but that's fading too now, so looks like it's fine. no sign of rejection and the magnet is not migrating.

  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee August 2016
    @AlexSmith could you add me to list as well. i want to try injecting the magnet via syringe 
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul August 2016
    Are you waiting on the cylinders until you find out if the supplier is reliable for coatings?
  • AlexSmithAlexSmith August 2016
    @lolsmcfee  added.

    @Meanderpaul  yes, waiting until the disks are proven safe before ordering cylinders.
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee August 2016
    awesome! i cant wait for these to be available. iv been on the bench for a little while about getting a magnet cause of all the concerns i had.
  • FroFro August 2016
    Hello not a very vocal member but been following for a about a year. I know I'm a bit late but I just wanted to ask to be added to the list. As well as offer my self for testing if need be. Happily pay for one.

    Good job all round guys
  • AvioAvio August 2016
    As long as the kit comes with chloroprep, that's all I would really need. I could buy the scalpels and anything else separate. As for the pricing, as soon as you decide on a price and the details for what that price will cover, let me know. I will definitely be buying one if there are any available for me, so I gotta know as soon as possible how much I'll be sinking into it.

    Super excited to see how far these have come.
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz August 2016
    @ Avio  I think the price is going to be around $50 judging by a comment back on page two of this thread.

    Looking at one of the ebay (non coated) magnets I got for about 25 cents, 50 bucks is a lot of money to pay for something that tiny but I don't want to experiment with DIY coatings.  The cheap magnets do seem to work just gluing them to my finger to get an idea of what a real implant might be like.
  • AvioAvio August 2016
    $50, hmm. Yeah, that would work for me. Still waiting to see what that actually includes, however. I definitely want the chloroprep.

    By the way, and this is a bit off topic so I apologize, @Birdhandz I love that name. 'Avio' is from avian, because I love birds.
  • BirdhandzBirdhandz August 2016
    @Avio  Off topic but yes, the name was chosen because I have PET chickens and am trying to hatch button quail which are supposed to be the size of your hand full grown.  Also, my only tattoos are of eagles but they are not on my hands.

    I would also like the chloroprep to be included.  I have or can get everything else needed except for the nerve to purposely cut myself open and stick some foreign object inside.  I want to have a safe magnet here in case I really do it. 
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul August 2016
    On a side thought how long does lido last if you buy it and store it for a later use? Also that storing would it be a fridge or some place not at 80+f
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens August 2016
    Do believe it just stores at room temp - up till the expiration date on the bottle of course.
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul August 2016
    Is the expiration date on the bottle the same as say milk where it's more a suggestion then when it's bad?
  • Wikitiki33Wikitiki33 August 2016
    If this list is still being added to count me in =)
  • mmuyskensmmuyskens August 2016
    Meanderpaul - I do believe using it past the expiration is just considered less effective. Ping Cassox - he'd be best to clarify this.

    EDIT: Just did a bit of Googling and found most stable drugs have a maximum expiration of 5 years from the month it was manufactured due to a FDA limit, even though it may be good for long after that. But again, Cassox. Dr. Mark is not open for business yet lol.
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul August 2016
    Haha Ok will do, thanks for the input. so @cassox is Dr mark correct?
  • rshtirmerrshtirmer August 2016
    @mmuyskens and @Meanderpaul, I researched this a while ago and aside from the actual expiration date, the potency will decrease, but could even have reasonable potency ~20/30% even after like 5 years after the expiration date. 
  • masterjaspermasterjasper August 2016
    I would also like to be added to the list, thanks!
  • AlexSmithAlexSmith August 2016
    Ok, time for a long overdue update, I've been traveling and am finally home. 

    Today is day 16 after implanting. Bruising is completely gone, the injection site has healed nicely, only a small scar. The color is completely normal and it no longer hurts to press on the site of the magnet. 

    tl;dr it has fully healed with no signs of rejection. so far so good.

    I will leave it in for another 14 days and then remove it and check it under a microscope for any signs of coating failure.

    @Fro, masterjasper added to the list


    @Avio probably $49 for the magnet and a vial of Chlorhexidine Gluconate. Full implants kits with scalpels etc will be separately but can be bundled together for shipping. This is the same price as the original M31 and the price @mmuyskens is aiming for.




  • ZerbulaZerbula August 2016
    Yayyyyy :D
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee August 2016
    @AlexSmith would you be able to make like a Pioneers bundle for the people that want to try implanting the magnet via a syringe, i know its a new popular thing that im sure a bunch of people would like to try.
  • Wikitiki33Wikitiki33 August 2016
    @AlexSmith could you add me to the list?
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee August 2016
    i have 2 questions about magnet implants. would i be able to travel with one, and will this come pre coated. i dont trust myself to coat it 
  • MeanderpaulMeanderpaul August 2016
    Alex sells implant magnets which means all ready to implant. Traveling has no issues same as mri with no issues. See the search bar for more on both subjects. It has been talked to death.
  • AlexSmithAlexSmith August 2016
    @Wikitiki33 added.

    @lolsmcfee Yeah, I probably won't include a syringe as standard to begin with, but it's easy to add for those that ask, if/when enough people have used the injection method I'd include it as a standard option.

    Yes, magnets this size are too small to picked up by airport metal detectors, I've never had them detect mine. And yes, the whole point of the current testing is to make sure the coating is safe, you can get uncoated magnets very cheaply on ebay but they will reject if implanted, my magnets have a Titanium coating to make them safe to implant.
  • willzgzwillzgz August 2016
    Add me to the list, please. I'm waiting for good news
  • JohnDoeJohnDoe August 2016
    @alexsmith
    When do you think you will have M36's?
  • EdupopEdupop August 2016
    If you could add me to the notification list, that would be amazing c:
  • nixnix August 2016
    @AlexSmith I would appreciate being added to the list to notify when magnets are available.
  • AlexSmithAlexSmith August 2016
    I'll write a longer post tomorrow, but here is a picture of the magnet I just removed from my arm:
    image
  • Wikitiki33Wikitiki33 August 2016
    @AlexSmith Shit dude, that still looks to be in really good condition. there only one thing that looks funny in the upper left side of the image. I think its probably just a weird image artifact. other than that id be willing to implant assuming I can get the injector method to work.
  • TheDiabeticGMTheDiabeticGM August 2016
    Wow.  That is looking quite fresh.  That is excellent.  What is the next step in testing?
  • AlexSmithAlexSmith August 2016
    Ok, heres the longer version, yesterday afternoon I used one of the "magnet implant kits" cassox made up to cut the magnet out of my arm, it had been 30 days since it was implanted and there was no external signs of rejections. Color was normal and there was no pain even when pushing hard on the magnet. 

    I used some ice on the area but no other painkillers/anesthetic.

    I used the No.15 scalpel blade to make a small cut at one side of the magnet, and tried to use another larger magnet to pull it out. This did not work as it was hold in place too well by the scar tissue. I then made another cut across the top of the magnet to form an "L" shape with the first cut. It was still very hard to get the magnet to come out, but I eventually got it, some 45 minutes after starting.

    Here is a picture during the removal:
    image

    As for the magnet, I've been looking at under the microscope, overall it looks really good, pretty much identical to when it was implanted. There are a couple of small cut/scratch marks on one edge, but I'm 99% sure they are from the scalpel blade when I was removing it, I could hear the blade make a "tink" sound when it hit the magnet while cutting, and if those scratches had been there before it would definitely have rejected long ago.

    I think this proves the coating worked, at least for medium length implantation of 30 days. 

    @willzgz Edupop, nix added to the list.

    @JohnDoe maybe around the end of the year? lets get the M31s well tested before we start on a larger version.


  • AlexSmithAlexSmith August 2016
    @Wikitiki33 I think it looks fine, there are microscopic differences in coating which make it look slightly different in places, but once the coating starts to fail it is normally very obvious, see the pic of a failed coating earlier in this thread.

    @TheDiabeticGM I think the first in vivo test was a success, so it's time for a larger in vivo test, I'm thinking of giving ~5 of these away to people and having them report their results. what do others think should be the next step in testing?
  • Chern87Chern87 August 2016
    If your looking for guinea pigs for the larger in vivo test I'm happy to offer a finger.
  • lolsmcfeelolsmcfee August 2016
    im happy to test aswell
  • ZerbulaZerbula August 2016
    I'm looking for two identical matching at the same time.. But would be willing to test! :O
  • OrdnaelOrdnael August 2016
    I'm gladly up for in vivo testing too!
  • AvioAvio August 2016
    I would volunteer myself for testing of course! I'd love to help.

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