Implants Sat, 29 Apr 17 20:20:09 -0700 Implants en-CA Skin around the implant is turning green/yellow Fri, 03 Mar 2017 03:50:50 -0800 tadejgasparovic 1965@/discussions Should I be worried or is this normal?

Curved magnet edges Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:42:38 -0700 FullDiver 1980@/discussions
Electrician looking for different implant placements Sun, 09 Apr 2017 16:37:30 -0700 Jpon0 2001@/discussions

Avoid scars after implantation Fri, 31 Mar 2017 04:56:36 -0700 Rocco8620 1989@/discussions Using implants for hacking phones Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:09:11 -0800 t3chn0ph1l3 1923@/discussions (Edit: Updated title for accuracy)

Hello all,
First post here, and I don't use forums much. (usually strictly a lurker/troll/etc.)

tl;dr: I was able to hack a phone with my NFC implant and another phone.

I was reading a bit into this thread, and it got me thinking: What about the opposite? How could I use my shiny new NFC implant for hacking?

So here goes.

A rough outline of the use-case of using NFC for hacking:

First was the implant which is common enough of a conversation.
(I'm using xNTi from dangerousthings)

Attacker uses a special linux distro ported to an android phone to generate a malicious APK file for android in one click. 
(this file listens to a specified IP address for connection/commands.)

Attacker sets the connection IP address to listening server, where Attacker would have an interpreter listening for inbound connections.

Attacker uploads the file to some web server, possibly self owned webserver or a free webhosting service.

Attacker copies the malicious APK direct link over to the implanted tag and sets off to have fun.

exploitation is now as easy as asking someone to use their phone to make a call and hitting the chip to initiate a download. Install, and give the phone back*. (payload running silently in the background.)

(There are many factors dictating success here like the funny look they'll give you when you're rubbing your phone on your hand, and the phone's security implementations like the newer samsung knox** which will recognize and quarantine the malicious code. I haven't come across an NFC compatible phone that has any sort of security on the tech.)

Once installed, the server and the infected device establish a link and from there, the attacker can wreak some serious havoc.
(dump texts, call logs, pics, whatever (*delete the downloaded apk file and clear the url from history))

*If the attacker has some deft hands, Attacker may be able to delete the apk and clear the URL before giving the phone back without raising suspicion
** The newer samsung knox will detect the generic payloads if you do not craft them all crafty like :P

I've tested this on a few phones and it works great!

If you have questions, ideas, etc. let me know, I'm all about freedom of information and I will tell you whatever I know.

(moving forward, I'm trying to create some shellcode that is small enough to be written to the chip for an ultra small single tap payload.
if anyone knows of people fuzzing NFC for vulnerabilities please let me know, or let them know I'm looking for them.)
Larger Invisible Implants and Useless Bones Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:25:00 -0700 Jupiter 1770@/discussions
Apparently (according to licensed medical professionals) that bone does very little for holding weight, so it's somewhat useless structurally. That got me thinking just now (he had it removed years ago) that there may be a few other bones that are similarly useless (I know bones generally contain useful things in them, but I'm talking strictly structurally here, I'm not suggesting we replace all the bones).

One could (hypothetically) replace some bones, like the forearm bone, with a large implant, that could (for the most part) be unseen from the outside. It could be custom shaped to match the bone it's replacing and could contain things to monitor blood (sugar levels, pressure, pulse rate), store data (digitally), heck you could probably find a way to put a speaker into it (it'd be fairly quiet and I don't think you could do a microphone, so the uses would be a bit limited, but you could).

Assuming we had said implants in an experimental phase, would anyone consider replacing a perfectly good bone for such a large implant?

Any other comments on the idea? It's a large step from magnets to this. ]]>
A couple questions about magnetic Implants Mon, 20 Feb 2017 02:35:04 -0800 lcolin 1951@/discussions Hey guys, 

I am working on a School project on the improvements of the human senses thanks to technology. One part of our research is how we can improve the sens of touch, and one way we thought we could do that with today's technology is feeling magnetic fields. 

I have a couple questions for you guys who have, or have had, a magnetic implant in your fingers:
- What could you feel with the implant (only the most important magnetic charges, the earth's magnetic field)?
- Were there more benefits or downsides to the implant?
- Do you see the implant becoming mainstream? 

If any of you guys would have an idea of other available technology that would improve the sens of touch in any way, I'm all ears! 
Thanks a lot!
Magnet stimulator thingie? Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:37:31 -0800 Cathasach 1948@/discussions
I'm trying to write something up that sounds technical and stuff.
TUES FEB 21 IS THE NEW WEBSITE GO-LIVE [CROSS-CATEGORY POST] Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:24:08 -0800 cyberlass 1944@/discussions

Note: Your user account will be on new system, BUT you will have to do a password reset.
why the m31 Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:19:13 -0800 FullDiver 1938@/discussions Improving magnet movement Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:58:01 -0700 rpyka 1726@/discussions
I wanted to run a problem by some of the people with magnet experience. I've had a couple large cylinders in my ring fingers for a while, (a few years,) and the one in my dominant hand has seen a lot of use while the other one not so much. Now I'm trying to do a little more with them both and was wondering why the left seems so much weaker than the right (they are identical magnets done at the same time.) Upon some inspection, it appears my left magnet is "stuck." That is, there's tissue built up around it that prevents it from rotating in any direction, so it's tricky for me to pick things up or do much with that finger.

On my right hand the implanted magnet will rotate freely- if I move a large magnet around my finger the implanted one will rotate to face it, flipping this large magnet over next to my finger will cause my finger magnet to flip over, etc. When I attempt this on my left hand the implanted magnet will move a little but not complete a full rotation, and it's uncomfortable when the magnet is trying to rotate too much.

My question is is there any way to improve the movement of the magnet in my left ring finger? I'm tempted to use the large magnet to pull the implanted magnet around and break things up, but I'm not sure if that will cause any scarring or other issues.
A possible M31 alternative? Tue, 03 Jan 2017 23:46:41 -0800 tadejgasparovic 1894@/discussions I am aware of the fact that M31s are currntly being tested by @AlexSmith, but I was looking for an alternative source in case I wont be able to get the magnet from because it seems like there is way more people interested than there is magnets to go around. So I found this magnet and I think that after some testing it might be a good alternative.
Would love to hear your opinion.

have some questions about implants... Tue, 07 Feb 2017 14:10:18 -0800 Dan 1930@/discussions i have been implanted in 2004 ...

as I have heared we cant see the implants in mri/ct scans because its a nano implant.

first can u see the implant somehow?...using maybe atomic force microscope? or some similar equipment?...

about using Neodimium magnets...I have been implanted in the it possible maybe to put 2 magnets in the sides of the forhead for required time instead of injecting them?

The best solution would be to somehow see the implant and remove it from my forehead.


pectus excavatum, mini-movers, and it's magnet Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:05:26 -0800 FullDiver 1925@/discussions
(Sorry if this is old news and theres already an answer floating out there somewhere, but if there is I didn't see it)
Homemade coatings Thu, 08 Dec 2016 19:19:57 -0800 Vick206 1864@/discussions I Think I'm Missing Something Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:42:27 -0800 FullDiver 1919@/discussions For one thing, why only do 1 layer of bio-proofing? Why would two or three layers of biocompatible materials not be the Gold Standard.
Secondly, I've seen multiple people say that theres always a chance of rejection even if the coating is perfect. If everything that the body is exposed to is inert, what's there for the body to reject.
Lastly, just out of curiosity, whats truly the worst-case-scenario. What if you were to implant a magnet entirely exposed and it was to dissolve. I'm obviously not planning on attempting this, but I haven't seen an answer on the forum as of yet.

- Old account, first post. I've been using the forum just to lurk and learn on for a while but haven't even logged on yet as I didn't think that I got cleared to have an account. While I'm new to posting and I'm no expert I wouldn't say I'm illiterate, and I'm eager to learn and I'm excited to try to help the community and our collective knowledge in any way that I can .- 
Brain Pacemakers & Dangerous Brain Implants Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:04:04 -0800 killronaldreagan 1913@/discussions I need some information on brain pacemakers and rare forms of hospital-administered procedures easily classified as, "biohacks". I have severe epilepsy and I already have an ambulatory EEG permanently hooked up to me modified to act as a monitoring system but firstly they're upgrading it to use electrodes implanted directly in my brain in tandem with Vagus Nerve Stimulation (a brain pacemaker) for medical reasons.
Does anyone here have experience with rare and invasive brain implants rarely implemented on humans? These implants would under no circumstances be accessible to standard body-modders and are state-of-the-art pieces of unfathomably expensive medical hardware so any information would be appreciated. I asked the doctors but the specific implants are 2 months old meaning any possible risks from the nuances of the hardware cannot be predicted until I'm hooked up in a few months.
Also for those curious, brain pacemakers allow one to adjust the pulses sent by the device so I would have, at least in this one medical instance, have complete control over my VNS system. No I don't know if that's dangerous but a team of neurologists thought of it and prescribed it so I'm fairly trusting.
Also no, I have absolutely no implants I got willingly. Everything I have essentially serves as portable life-support so I have a lot of experience with medical implants.
An Informal and Rudimentary Analysis of Implant Data Sun, 08 Jan 2017 15:49:20 -0800 ThinkerTinkerTrump 1898@/discussions here I noticed that no one had really processed nor publicly drawn any conclusions from it. In the spirit of learning more about what the data was trying to say, I put together a few graphs to help make sense of the numbers. 

Figure 1 depicts the number of successful and rejected magnet implantations along with a category called other, where I lumped in magnets that were voluntarily removed, became demagnetized, or deviated in any way from a success/failure binary. All told, 77 magnets (one case was excluded due to lack of data) were analyzed in total, of which 48 (62.3%) were successfully accepted by the implantee, 23 (29.9%) were rejected, and 6 (7.79%) fell into the "other" category.  

Figure 2 breaks down success/failure rates of each implant by type of magnet involved. It's important to note here that sample sizes varied widely. In descending order of popularity: M31 (n = 49), Haworth Silicone (n = 14), parylene-coated implants (n = 8), FDA2T (n = 3), gold-plated 4mm magnets (n = 2), and M36(n = 1). Hypothesized reasons for this distribution are introduced below. Where percents are given in decimal form and (S = success, F = failure/rejection, O = other). Haworth Silicone S = 0.786, F = 0.143, O = 0.071. M31 S = 0.571, F = 0.367, O = 0.061. FDA2T S = 0.333, O = 0.667. Gold-plated 4mm S = 0.5, O = 0.5. Parylene-coating S = 0.875, F = 0.125. M36 S = 1.

One of the most interesting things the implant data reveals is the extreme popularity of M31s. More of them were implanted than all other types combined, making up 63.6% of all implants. I suspect the reason is due to the sheer popularity of the magnet within the community; the magnet itself (along with its big brother the M36) is on backorder until further notice. Hell, the forum itself has a dedicated magnet status thread just to keep up with their status. However, it's also worth noting the other major group of implanted magnets: the Haworth Silicone. It's no wonder that biohackers would go the man who popularized dermal magnets (according to wikipedia, anyways) to get theirs. Considering his travel schedule, it's not unlikely that they received their magnets during an event Haworth was attending or going to Arizona to get theirs personally done. The rest come from other, less popular miscellaneous sources.

So what do you guys think? 
Need help with my implant Sat, 14 Jan 2017 04:28:04 -0800 tadejgasparovic 1904@/discussions
I really want to put it in the usual spot because I feel like it would be the most useful there.

Alternatively I was thinking I could put it here.

What is you opinion?
Where should I put it?
Is there a way to avoid the blood vessel?
Is it actually something I should worry about?
Quality Matters - a post about commercial biohacker projects Fri, 03 Jun 2016 11:40:48 -0700 amal 1562@/discussions A while back, Dangerous Things introduced the m31 biomagnet
based on a partnership with now defunct Science for the Masses. It was a big
hit, we were happy, and biohackers were happy. I implanted one of the very
first m31s into my pinky finger. Many months went by. We manufactured more
batches. Things were good.

Then we started getting reports of failures. These failures
were tied to physical events like “I smashed my finger” and “it wasn’t placed
properly”.. but still it began to worry me. We started to work with SfM to sort
out a more rigorous test involving acids and other chemical and physical stress
tests we could perform on m31s before they were accepted into our inventory.
Then SfM fell apart, some money and contractual obligations between SfM and DT
were in limbo, and I was left with no choice but to halt all sales of m31s
until better manufacturing and QA testing could be sorted out.

As time went on, just after the 1 year mark, my own magnet
began to fail. It started with a slight swelling and a small amount of pain associated
with the now fully healed implant site. I then tested sensation using my
microwave oven, something I’d done a lot of testing with a few months after I first
got my m31 implant… it was noticeably less sensitive and the proximity I had to
hold my finger to the oven was noticeably closer than previous necessary. I
decided to remove it myself using our PMK and a scalpel. I did a decent job,
but a tiny bit of it still remains in my finger – a dark stain to constantly remind

Since then, we’ve tried various new coating techniques and
methods to get TiN on to our magnets in such a way that they will not fail. The
endeavor proved fruitless. We switched materials… we tried straight titanium,
steel, and even a few more exotic materials. Nothing gave us that warm fuzzy
feeling you get when you know you’ve done it the right way… so we soldier on
and continue to pour money into magnet development… not because we think it
will be a big money maker, but because we believe biomagnets are a fundamental part
of what it means to be a biohacker.

On the surface, a magnet in your finger isn’t a big deal… it’s
not really all that interesting beyond doing some party tricks with and sensing
a field or two when you weren’t expecting to. However, having a magnet
implanted in your body literally changes your sense of self like no wearable tool
could. It re-wires your brain to interpret the sensory input coming from those
specific nerves in a new way… that is part of the fundamental essence of what
biohacking is all about… and I don’t want to see any injury befall any of my
fellow biohackers, or see any damage done to this growing community, simply to
rush a product and make a few bucks. That’s why the remainder of this post must,
unfortunately, be a warning regarding the quality of work being put out by a
fellow biohacker.

We have been working on our biopolymer formulation for quite
some time, and once we had it nailed down, we decided to offer the first
product using it – the flexNT - as a private beta for special customers who
wanted to test things on the edge. I had the first flexNT installed in my left
middle finger, and so far about 4 other people have had the chance to test the
flexNT, with the remainder of our beta test customers due to receive their
shortly… but then I got this email…

Someone from this board contacted me and wanted to discuss a
flexible NFC tag they received as part of a beta test from Alex / –
it surprised me to learn there was a flex tag coming out from cyberise, so I
engaged in a lively discussion. Ultimately, this person wanted to trade the
flex tag they received for a flexNT. I agreed, if only for curiosity’s sake. I
received that flexible tag and it sat on my desk for weeks… but yesterday I
finally opened it up and found, to my horror, a device that was nothing close
to what I’d consider to be safe for implantation. The beta test tag Cyberise sent
to this person, with the understanding that it be implanted as part of the
test, was really badly constructed. The silicone used to coat the tag with was mixed
very badly, with air bubbles trapped throughout the silicone coating which
probably contain evaporated curing agent and/or solvent vapors. It also had fibers and hairs
embedded throughout the coating, and dirt and other refuse stuck to the surface
of the coating. But the worst thing was that the tag was tacky when I attempted
to take it out of the pouch. I moved the tag off the paper pouch and it left a
mark on the paper… that means the silicone elastomer was not fully cured and
still had plenty of unlinked polymer… this would have been disastrous to implant.

I hate to call out any biohacker for trying to bring new
exciting things to our fledgling industry, but this is a safety issue that
could badly damage this fragile group who are all operating in the shadows and
grey area of legality. The worst thing for us would be a legal issue arising now
due to a serious health complication from a commercial biohacking device.

If you received a beta flex tag from Cyberise, and it’s
tacky to the touch or has bubbles in it, please do not implant it.




Magnet array? Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:41:19 -0800 Mr_Night 1883@/discussions Firefly / First implant Fri, 04 Nov 2016 21:17:07 -0700 Xenodine 1809@/discussions Note,
entire hand was thoroughly sterilised before procedure. Installed firefly
implant. Had to probe for locations 3 times, mainly because of
nerves/sensitivity, and because I could not create a deep enough pocket to
continue. I finally settled on the area above the left ring finger, with the entrance on the lower half of the knuckle. I could not tent skin as this was a self installation, instead I used angle of the needle to fold skin during the initial penetration of the dermis. I implanted in the area roughly 2 cm behind the entrance wound, with the nearest end ~5mm from the entrance site. When I removed the needle, I used, superglue  to cover the entrance wound, after re-application of sterilising solution.

 After care day one: 

After care consists of removing the superglue cap after 3-6 hours(
it becomes semi-loose on its own) and cleaning the wound with concentrated
hydrogen peroxide. I have cleaned the wound twice since implantation. Initial signs are hopeful, as there is only some tenderness over the implant. I am
avoiding use of this hand as much as possible, especially the ring and minor


Site after 6 hours (second change of the superglue):

Day 2 aftercare:

Moved the glue
change interval to ~8 hours. It seems to be adhering longer as time goes on,
possibly an effect of the healing process? There is tenderness directly above
the implant, though it is slowly fading throughout the day. I also was actively
using this hand during work, though I was being gentler than normal with it. I
am planning to forgo the glue altogether on day three, as the inside of the
site seems to be healing at a decent pace.


Site after ~30 hours (during cleaning):

Will update as time goes on. 

Also, feel free to post any tips or other constructive feedback. This is my first implant and it is much appreciated.

Magnets comparable to M31? Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:39:32 -0800 Cynders 1881@/discussions My stupid DIY magnet implant adventures Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:11:33 -0800 SomeRandomGuy 1828@/discussions
Okay, its 3am so ill try to be brief.

QUESTION: What should i do with my implant (Let the poor guy be/unimplant it and recut in the same place/move on to another finget)

1. On november 1-2 I got myself an DIY magnet implant (N48 5*0.8 Coin type, Gold plated, i tested it with salt water)
2. Now after ~3 weeks passed i decided that i need an advise

Wound isint sealed. Why:
i had a problems with stiches. what problems you ask? 
1. Thread cutting my skin
2. Untieing
And cuz of those reasons magnet climed up ~0.7mm, technicly it should be able to sealitself off but im not 100% sure

Current situcion:
i keep resewing it(it keeps untieing, especialy while showering), skin is quite stiff around the magnet(i can only feel magnet movements, no vibration,no tingling)

it isint sticking out but its quite close

one more thing, it dosent hurt at all 

Thanks for wasting time on me and for putting blaming aside :D

Magnets Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:36:20 -0800 Meanderpaul 1871@/discussions
I mean I get they arent solely from dangerous things and cyberise but being so had to come by and for so long but suddenly BOOM magnets for sale.]]>
Implantable EEG Electrodes Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:37:12 -0800 LuaMater 1356@/discussions
I have no experience with piercings in general, so how exactly would i go about with something like this? What would be the biggest problems and challenges, and what complications could I potentially run into?

Hearing Electromagnetic, Radio, or Higher Frequency Sound Waves Sat, 10 Dec 2016 04:14:21 -0800 Psyber 1867@/discussions The other day I was listening to the various "planet sounds" videos on YouTube, which are made by taking the data captured by the probes on the planet's emission of electromagnetic waves and particle oscillation frequencies and then translating that data into audible sound waves. I thought it would be really cool to have an implant (or wearable if an implant is simply not feasible) that translated radio waves, electromagnetic waves, etc, in real time to sound. 

So far in looking I have found this instructable on how to build what is basically a modified crystal radio that responds in real time to electromagnetic fields or light sources with sound.
If it was able to be significantly scaled down, it could be a possible way of achieving the ability to hear waves outside of sound waves in the audible range.  

Any ideas or advice on all this would be much appreciated.

Bluetooth LE bone conductive implant. Sat, 01 Aug 2015 01:13:47 -0700 Benbeezy 1008@/discussions
and then basically follow this:

This those 3 things I think I can make the smallest bluetooth bone conductive headset.

I will modify the charger from the toothbrush with magnets and make sure magnets on on the board, this will allow me to just snap on the charger while I see or something.

I could also use the headset as a "trusted device" on my phone and my phone will lock if it doesn't see my headset on, and if it dies I still have my other "trusted device" my NFC chip. so I and only I should always be able to unlock my phone.

What does everyone think?
Does anyone else want to do anything like this?
On a crazy scale of 1-10 how bad is this idea? (still going to do it though)
Cochlear Implant in Fully Functional Ear Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:43:14 -0800 Jupiter 1822@/discussions
Would having one of these interfere with the function of the actual ear in any way were someone to somehow get one implanted in a perfectly good ear?
Would any of you opt to have such an implant if it were... you know... affordable and... not... frowned upon by the larger medical field?

I've been thinking about our attempts at bone conducting Bluetooth implants, and thought that maybe... rather than trying to invent a new technology we should just better an existing one, implant the normally ear-worn portion of the device and utilize the already existing technology to handle actual audio relating to the brain. Any thoughts on that? ]]>