Implants Mon, 23 Jan 17 10:46:12 -0800 Implants en-CA An Informal and Rudimentary Analysis of Implant Data Sun, 08 Jan 2017 15:49:20 -0800 ThinkerTinkerTrump 1898@/discussions here I noticed that no one had really processed nor publicly drawn any conclusions from it. In the spirit of learning more about what the data was trying to say, I put together a few graphs to help make sense of the numbers. 

Figure 1 depicts the number of successful and rejected magnet implantations along with a category called other, where I lumped in magnets that were voluntarily removed, became demagnetized, or deviated in any way from a success/failure binary. All told, 77 magnets (one case was excluded due to lack of data) were analyzed in total, of which 48 (62.3%) were successfully accepted by the implantee, 23 (29.9%) were rejected, and 6 (7.79%) fell into the "other" category.  

Figure 2 breaks down success/failure rates of each implant by type of magnet involved. It's important to note here that sample sizes varied widely. In descending order of popularity: M31 (n = 49), Haworth Silicone (n = 14), parylene-coated implants (n = 8), FDA2T (n = 3), gold-plated 4mm magnets (n = 2), and M36(n = 1). Hypothesized reasons for this distribution are introduced below. Where percents are given in decimal form and (S = success, F = failure/rejection, O = other). Haworth Silicone S = 0.786, F = 0.143, O = 0.071. M31 S = 0.571, F = 0.367, O = 0.061. FDA2T S = 0.333, O = 0.667. Gold-plated 4mm S = 0.5, O = 0.5. Parylene-coating S = 0.875, F = 0.125. M36 S = 1.

One of the most interesting things the implant data reveals is the extreme popularity of M31s. More of them were implanted than all other types combined, making up 63.6% of all implants. I suspect the reason is due to the sheer popularity of the magnet within the community; the magnet itself (along with its big brother the M36) is on backorder until further notice. Hell, the forum itself has a dedicated magnet status thread just to keep up with their status. However, it's also worth noting the other major group of implanted magnets: the Haworth Silicone. It's no wonder that biohackers would go the man who popularized dermal magnets (according to wikipedia, anyways) to get theirs. Considering his travel schedule, it's not unlikely that they received their magnets during an event Haworth was attending or going to Arizona to get theirs personally done. The rest come from other, less popular miscellaneous sources.

So what do you guys think? 
Need help with my implant Sat, 14 Jan 2017 04:28:04 -0800 tadejgasparovic 1904@/discussions
I really want to put it in the usual spot because I feel like it would be the most useful there.

Alternatively I was thinking I could put it here.

What is you opinion?
Where should I put it?
Is there a way to avoid the blood vessel?
Is it actually something I should worry about?
Quality Matters - a post about commercial biohacker projects Fri, 03 Jun 2016 11:40:48 -0700 amal 1562@/discussions A while back, Dangerous Things introduced the m31 biomagnet
based on a partnership with now defunct Science for the Masses. It was a big
hit, we were happy, and biohackers were happy. I implanted one of the very
first m31s into my pinky finger. Many months went by. We manufactured more
batches. Things were good.

Then we started getting reports of failures. These failures
were tied to physical events like “I smashed my finger” and “it wasn’t placed
properly”.. but still it began to worry me. We started to work with SfM to sort
out a more rigorous test involving acids and other chemical and physical stress
tests we could perform on m31s before they were accepted into our inventory.
Then SfM fell apart, some money and contractual obligations between SfM and DT
were in limbo, and I was left with no choice but to halt all sales of m31s
until better manufacturing and QA testing could be sorted out.

As time went on, just after the 1 year mark, my own magnet
began to fail. It started with a slight swelling and a small amount of pain associated
with the now fully healed implant site. I then tested sensation using my
microwave oven, something I’d done a lot of testing with a few months after I first
got my m31 implant… it was noticeably less sensitive and the proximity I had to
hold my finger to the oven was noticeably closer than previous necessary. I
decided to remove it myself using our PMK and a scalpel. I did a decent job,
but a tiny bit of it still remains in my finger – a dark stain to constantly remind

Since then, we’ve tried various new coating techniques and
methods to get TiN on to our magnets in such a way that they will not fail. The
endeavor proved fruitless. We switched materials… we tried straight titanium,
steel, and even a few more exotic materials. Nothing gave us that warm fuzzy
feeling you get when you know you’ve done it the right way… so we soldier on
and continue to pour money into magnet development… not because we think it
will be a big money maker, but because we believe biomagnets are a fundamental part
of what it means to be a biohacker.

On the surface, a magnet in your finger isn’t a big deal… it’s
not really all that interesting beyond doing some party tricks with and sensing
a field or two when you weren’t expecting to. However, having a magnet
implanted in your body literally changes your sense of self like no wearable tool
could. It re-wires your brain to interpret the sensory input coming from those
specific nerves in a new way… that is part of the fundamental essence of what
biohacking is all about… and I don’t want to see any injury befall any of my
fellow biohackers, or see any damage done to this growing community, simply to
rush a product and make a few bucks. That’s why the remainder of this post must,
unfortunately, be a warning regarding the quality of work being put out by a
fellow biohacker.

We have been working on our biopolymer formulation for quite
some time, and once we had it nailed down, we decided to offer the first
product using it – the flexNT - as a private beta for special customers who
wanted to test things on the edge. I had the first flexNT installed in my left
middle finger, and so far about 4 other people have had the chance to test the
flexNT, with the remainder of our beta test customers due to receive their
shortly… but then I got this email…

Someone from this board contacted me and wanted to discuss a
flexible NFC tag they received as part of a beta test from Alex / –
it surprised me to learn there was a flex tag coming out from cyberise, so I
engaged in a lively discussion. Ultimately, this person wanted to trade the
flex tag they received for a flexNT. I agreed, if only for curiosity’s sake. I
received that flexible tag and it sat on my desk for weeks… but yesterday I
finally opened it up and found, to my horror, a device that was nothing close
to what I’d consider to be safe for implantation. The beta test tag Cyberise sent
to this person, with the understanding that it be implanted as part of the
test, was really badly constructed. The silicone used to coat the tag with was mixed
very badly, with air bubbles trapped throughout the silicone coating which
probably contain evaporated curing agent and/or solvent vapors. It also had fibers and hairs
embedded throughout the coating, and dirt and other refuse stuck to the surface
of the coating. But the worst thing was that the tag was tacky when I attempted
to take it out of the pouch. I moved the tag off the paper pouch and it left a
mark on the paper… that means the silicone elastomer was not fully cured and
still had plenty of unlinked polymer… this would have been disastrous to implant.

I hate to call out any biohacker for trying to bring new
exciting things to our fledgling industry, but this is a safety issue that
could badly damage this fragile group who are all operating in the shadows and
grey area of legality. The worst thing for us would be a legal issue arising now
due to a serious health complication from a commercial biohacking device.

If you received a beta flex tag from Cyberise, and it’s
tacky to the touch or has bubbles in it, please do not implant it.




A possible M31 alternative? Tue, 03 Jan 2017 23:46:41 -0800 tadejgasparovic 1894@/discussions I am aware of the fact that M31s are currntly being tested by @AlexSmith, but I was looking for an alternative source in case I wont be able to get the magnet from because it seems like there is way more people interested than there is magnets to go around. So I found this magnet and I think that after some testing it might be a good alternative.
Would love to hear your opinion.

Magnet array? Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:41:19 -0800 Mr_Night 1883@/discussions Firefly / First implant Fri, 04 Nov 2016 21:17:07 -0700 Xenodine 1809@/discussions Note,
entire hand was thoroughly sterilised before procedure. Installed firefly
implant. Had to probe for locations 3 times, mainly because of
nerves/sensitivity, and because I could not create a deep enough pocket to
continue. I finally settled on the area above the left ring finger, with the entrance on the lower half of the knuckle. I could not tent skin as this was a self installation, instead I used angle of the needle to fold skin during the initial penetration of the dermis. I implanted in the area roughly 2 cm behind the entrance wound, with the nearest end ~5mm from the entrance site. When I removed the needle, I used, superglue  to cover the entrance wound, after re-application of sterilising solution.

 After care day one: 

After care consists of removing the superglue cap after 3-6 hours(
it becomes semi-loose on its own) and cleaning the wound with concentrated
hydrogen peroxide. I have cleaned the wound twice since implantation. Initial signs are hopeful, as there is only some tenderness over the implant. I am
avoiding use of this hand as much as possible, especially the ring and minor


Site after 6 hours (second change of the superglue):

Day 2 aftercare:

Moved the glue
change interval to ~8 hours. It seems to be adhering longer as time goes on,
possibly an effect of the healing process? There is tenderness directly above
the implant, though it is slowly fading throughout the day. I also was actively
using this hand during work, though I was being gentler than normal with it. I
am planning to forgo the glue altogether on day three, as the inside of the
site seems to be healing at a decent pace.


Site after ~30 hours (during cleaning):

Will update as time goes on. 

Also, feel free to post any tips or other constructive feedback. This is my first implant and it is much appreciated.

Magnets comparable to M31? Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:39:32 -0800 Cynders 1881@/discussions My stupid DIY magnet implant adventures Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:11:33 -0800 SomeRandomGuy 1828@/discussions
Okay, its 3am so ill try to be brief.

QUESTION: What should i do with my implant (Let the poor guy be/unimplant it and recut in the same place/move on to another finget)

1. On november 1-2 I got myself an DIY magnet implant (N48 5*0.8 Coin type, Gold plated, i tested it with salt water)
2. Now after ~3 weeks passed i decided that i need an advise

Wound isint sealed. Why:
i had a problems with stiches. what problems you ask? 
1. Thread cutting my skin
2. Untieing
And cuz of those reasons magnet climed up ~0.7mm, technicly it should be able to sealitself off but im not 100% sure

Current situcion:
i keep resewing it(it keeps untieing, especialy while showering), skin is quite stiff around the magnet(i can only feel magnet movements, no vibration,no tingling)

it isint sticking out but its quite close

one more thing, it dosent hurt at all 

Thanks for wasting time on me and for putting blaming aside :D

Magnets Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:36:20 -0800 Meanderpaul 1871@/discussions
I mean I get they arent solely from dangerous things and cyberise but being so had to come by and for so long but suddenly BOOM magnets for sale.]]>
Implantable EEG Electrodes Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:37:12 -0800 LuaMater 1356@/discussions
I have no experience with piercings in general, so how exactly would i go about with something like this? What would be the biggest problems and challenges, and what complications could I potentially run into?

Hearing Electromagnetic, Radio, or Higher Frequency Sound Waves Sat, 10 Dec 2016 04:14:21 -0800 Psyber 1867@/discussions The other day I was listening to the various "planet sounds" videos on YouTube, which are made by taking the data captured by the probes on the planet's emission of electromagnetic waves and particle oscillation frequencies and then translating that data into audible sound waves. I thought it would be really cool to have an implant (or wearable if an implant is simply not feasible) that translated radio waves, electromagnetic waves, etc, in real time to sound. 

So far in looking I have found this instructable on how to build what is basically a modified crystal radio that responds in real time to electromagnetic fields or light sources with sound.
If it was able to be significantly scaled down, it could be a possible way of achieving the ability to hear waves outside of sound waves in the audible range.  

Any ideas or advice on all this would be much appreciated.

Homemade coatings Thu, 08 Dec 2016 19:19:57 -0800 Vick206 1864@/discussions Bluetooth LE bone conductive implant. Sat, 01 Aug 2015 01:13:47 -0700 Benbeezy 1008@/discussions
and then basically follow this:

This those 3 things I think I can make the smallest bluetooth bone conductive headset.

I will modify the charger from the toothbrush with magnets and make sure magnets on on the board, this will allow me to just snap on the charger while I see or something.

I could also use the headset as a "trusted device" on my phone and my phone will lock if it doesn't see my headset on, and if it dies I still have my other "trusted device" my NFC chip. so I and only I should always be able to unlock my phone.

What does everyone think?
Does anyone else want to do anything like this?
On a crazy scale of 1-10 how bad is this idea? (still going to do it though)
Cochlear Implant in Fully Functional Ear Fri, 18 Nov 2016 05:43:14 -0800 Jupiter 1822@/discussions
Would having one of these interfere with the function of the actual ear in any way were someone to somehow get one implanted in a perfectly good ear?
Would any of you opt to have such an implant if it were... you know... affordable and... not... frowned upon by the larger medical field?

I've been thinking about our attempts at bone conducting Bluetooth implants, and thought that maybe... rather than trying to invent a new technology we should just better an existing one, implant the normally ear-worn portion of the device and utilize the already existing technology to handle actual audio relating to the brain. Any thoughts on that? ]]>
Implantable Fileserver with a Vocore2 Sat, 26 Nov 2016 08:32:38 -0800 Speedy 1840@/discussions
I want to make a Implantable fileserver with a Vcore2 and a USB-storage-stick
First of all this ist the vocore2

For Storage I planned a Mushkin Atom with 128GB

and for battery I planned two NCR18650B

3400 mAh

3,7 V

But now i ran into a problem
want to charge the batterys Wireless
So I need a Wireless charging module with 3W - 5W

I couldnt find such modules anywere !

and the next thing is I need help for coating
Wich Coating should i use ?
Bloody FlexNT Install Photo Sat, 06 Aug 2016 01:01:48 -0700 mmuyskens 1665@/discussions
Finally got my FlexNT installed by Cassox while in Vegas. Went smooth, and already achieve nice reads.

The other Mark has a video which I'll be sharing once I get it.

Possible implant sites Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:37:30 -0700 NotAGoat 1799@/discussions ]]> Blood Diamond Results Mon, 25 Apr 2016 02:54:26 -0700 Cassox 1475@/discussions Larger Invisible Implants and Useless Bones Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:25:00 -0700 Jupiter 1770@/discussions
Apparently (according to licensed medical professionals) that bone does very little for holding weight, so it's somewhat useless structurally. That got me thinking just now (he had it removed years ago) that there may be a few other bones that are similarly useless (I know bones generally contain useful things in them, but I'm talking strictly structurally here, I'm not suggesting we replace all the bones).

One could (hypothetically) replace some bones, like the forearm bone, with a large implant, that could (for the most part) be unseen from the outside. It could be custom shaped to match the bone it's replacing and could contain things to monitor blood (sugar levels, pressure, pulse rate), store data (digitally), heck you could probably find a way to put a speaker into it (it'd be fairly quiet and I don't think you could do a microphone, so the uses would be a bit limited, but you could).

Assuming we had said implants in an experimental phase, would anyone consider replacing a perfectly good bone for such a large implant?

Any other comments on the idea? It's a large step from magnets to this. ]]>
Implantable “memory prosthetic” opens new horizons for cyborg future Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:20:01 -0700 tekniklr 1704@/discussions

Well, this seems a little too Deus Ex to be true, but here you go.]]>
Implanted TEG Sun, 02 Oct 2016 09:30:42 -0700 Jupiter 1756@/discussions
Charging, Qi standard wireless would be fastest I think, but I like the idea of a secondary (slower) charging system that doesn't require an external device. A motion based generator, like you'd find in some flashlights, or a Thermoelectric Generator (Peltier Generator). The motion based generator is probably too big to use in an otherwise small implant, so I'm leaning toward the TEG idea, for which the power generation is very dependent on the temperature difference between the "hot" and "cold" sides. Based on some tests I've done with IR thermometers, the surface temperature of skin tends to vary from 96 degrees, down to ambient air temperature, for me anyways, depending on the place in the body, with the neck or head just below and behind the ear being the warmest from my checks.

Optimally I believe an area with a concentration of blood vessels such that it's quite warm would've best to intercept the heat as it makes its way to the surface of the skin.

Anyone have any thoughts on that? Assuming the surface skin directly over the generator doesn't absorb the heat from surrounding skin, I think that could work fairly well. Of course I imagine that charging could take hours, even a couple days to achieve a full charge in a fairly small capacity battery.

What I want to do is purchase two of these:

One to immediately test to ensure it works perfectly (so I know if it's me that breaks it) and then dismantle it and figure out how small it can be made. Then purchase a small Perrier TEG from here:;jsessionid=E51DDE0F15326A332BEA6A776802499A.p3plqscsfapp004

As well as possibly a smaller battery than the built in one (though I have a few and might just use one of those).

Once I'm satisfied with my build I plan on enlisting someone else to assist with costing and bioproofing it, and subsequently testing, but for the time being my questions are just about opinions on the use of the TEG for charging. I figure, if a TEG can power an LED from a thumb's heat, they should be able to charge a small battery in a decent amount of time. ]]>
Improving magnet movement Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:58:01 -0700 rpyka 1726@/discussions
I wanted to run a problem by some of the people with magnet experience. I've had a couple large cylinders in my ring fingers for a while, (a few years,) and the one in my dominant hand has seen a lot of use while the other one not so much. Now I'm trying to do a little more with them both and was wondering why the left seems so much weaker than the right (they are identical magnets done at the same time.) Upon some inspection, it appears my left magnet is "stuck." That is, there's tissue built up around it that prevents it from rotating in any direction, so it's tricky for me to pick things up or do much with that finger.

On my right hand the implanted magnet will rotate freely- if I move a large magnet around my finger the implanted one will rotate to face it, flipping this large magnet over next to my finger will cause my finger magnet to flip over, etc. When I attempt this on my left hand the implanted magnet will move a little but not complete a full rotation, and it's uncomfortable when the magnet is trying to rotate too much.

My question is is there any way to improve the movement of the magnet in my left ring finger? I'm tempted to use the large magnet to pull the implanted magnet around and break things up, but I'm not sure if that will cause any scarring or other issues.
RFID not reading? Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:42:16 -0700 RobHPlus 1719@/discussions ]]> Where to get m31 ? Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:34:38 -0700 Creeper 1445@/discussions
Thanks in advance !
NFC ring Thu, 01 Sep 2016 19:07:38 -0700 Meanderpaul 1712@/discussions
If I do opt for the uki I don't need the new payment ring which means I no longer need any NFC ring and have 2 tags sitting in some resin around titanium. I was toying with the idea of trying to turn one of the NFC tags into a flex tag and implanting it. My only questions I really have are is there a way to make the tags read distance a little better before hand (I.e through my phone case) and what is a good flexible coating?

I'm going to check to ensure the tag isn't damaged yet before I do anything but if I cannot achieve a read distance through my phone case and my skin I will likely not proceed any further.]]>
“The Man Biohacking Encryption From His Garage” Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:55:08 -0700 drew 1694@/discussions ]]> My First Post and Implant Fri, 05 Aug 2016 11:15:44 -0700 DmLawrence 1663@/discussions
I am very excited as this is my first post. After six months of playing around with NFC stickers and rings I finally got my first xNT implant. It was done by Brian Decker and was a very pleasant experience. I placed it in the traditional location, the crevasse between my index finger and thumb on my right hand. I have yet to really put anything on it. I use it to unlock my phone currently. I do have plans to bug every bank/card company until I get one that will work with me on making it my credit card.

I plan in the future to get another chip to replace my work badge for convenience. This will likely be placed on the outside of my right wrist slightly off-center to avoid hitting. I would also like to get magnets in each of my ring fingers. 

I have an idea to create a wireless storage device to implant that can carry 1TB of data for my phone. This would likely go in my arm and would be turned off and on by magnet. I am having difficulty thinking how I would charge the device. Another consideration I've thought of would be how long data transfers would work effectively.

Looking forward to meeting and talking with all of you as I have been prowling the site for some time now. Anyone here live in Maine,USA? I am interested in meeting others with a passion for this so we can explore together. 

If you would like I could post the short video I made of Brian Injecting the implant. It is very anti-climatic of course as it was a straightforward injection.
i wanted to implant magnets but i have a few questions that are holding me back Mon, 25 Jul 2016 11:55:16 -0700 mrpoopybutthole 1652@/discussions first of all the biggest holdback is the feeling of it constantly, is it something you get used to or you feel it 24 hours a day or something?, i am scared it will just be an annoying feeling to constantly have, what exactly do you feel when its implanted

what way is the best one to leave as less of a mark as possible? is it the scalpel way or the injection way?, also superglue or stitches?, i just really hate scars

do you feel a bump where the magnet is implanted or is it deep enough for it to feel as normal, also when you take it out, will the space get filled up or will i feel it afterwards kind of like an ear piercing

will putting a strong magnet ontop of the implant cause any harm?, i know it can hurt a tad if the magnet is strong but no chance of it getting ripped off after my hand heals completely?

how does it interfere in your normal life, i know some electronics cant be near magnets such as computer parts, i myself use the computer and other electronics alot, did it interfere with something in your life?, any bad experiences with it?, also i assume you are exempt from mri's afterwards since the strong magnet can definitely cause damage, will they need to remove the implant beforehand?, does that mean i can never do an mri scan?

which finger to implant it on, i know the recommended one is the ring finger of your non dominant hand to the side of the pinky but it doesn't look like there is a lot of space for it there, what are the risks if it goes wrong?

sorry for all those questions, i bet they get asked here very often but i couldn't find any, if i can get all those questions cleared up it will give me a green pass towards implanting a magnet in my finger, thanks for the help

EDIT: oh boy.. i just noticed i had to read something before i posted, sorry if i broke some rules, the wiki probably has all the information i needed, but i would like one directly from you i guess, it would probably help me out even more with the specifics

second edit, i keep realizing there are more things that i did wrong, please dont hurt me, is there a chance this is moved to the questions thread or something?
Help finding an Autoclave Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:11:22 -0700 NLmax 1656@/discussions
So I've decided to expand my workbench with an autoclave, but I can't seem to find the right one?

There are a couple of different types to pick from but what kind would you guys suggest?

I've seen some UV ones, Dry ones, Steam ones, steam and pressure, some for baby bottles and even for in the microwave?

Where should I look for and what should i totally not buy

Please help me before I buy the wrong stuff haha